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What do you think?Jobs says suicide rate at Foxconn not high

Postby adhdadhd » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:20 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/s ... -Jobs.html

Without addressing any root cause of suicide, did he just made such a statement? or the media interpreted as such?

Please do buy Orange.

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Postby HyperKiasu » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:49 pm

adhdadhd wrote:Please do buy Orange.


Let us read carefully:

'......where 12 of the company's 400,000 employees have killed themselves this year – was lower than the overall suicide rate for the United States.
According to the World Health Organisation, the average annual suicide rate in the United States is 11.1 people per 100,000 of the population. ...'


Apparently, Apple's CEO is not comparing apple to apple.

What is the avg annual suicide rate in U.S in the MANUFACTURING sector????

American workers in manufacturing sectors are very well paid. their wage is above 5 to 10 times of min wage.....
Foxxcon's workers are only paid at min wage....

dun understand why he made such a misleading statement...
or he simply dun want customer to switch to Orange :wink:

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Postby adhdadhd » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:29 pm

HyperKiasu wrote:
adhdadhd wrote:Please do buy Orange.


Let us read carefully:

'......where 12 of the company's 400,000 employees have killed themselves this year – was lower than the overall suicide rate for the United States.
According to the World Health Organisation, the average annual suicide rate in the United States is 11.1 people per 100,000 of the population. ...'


Apparently, Apple's CEO is not comparing apple to apple.

What is the avg annual suicide rate in U.S in the MANUFACTURING sector????

American workers in manufacturing sectors are very well paid. their wage is above 5 to 10 times of min wage.....
Foxxcon's workers are only paid at min wage....

dun understand why he made such a misleading statement...
or he simply dun want customer to switch to Orange :wink:


Great analysis! :goodpost:

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Postby verykiasu2010 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:58 pm

It is true that the suicide rate at Foxconn is over hyped. The social science analysts in PRC in fact claimed that workers by joining Foxconn is lowering the nation's suicide rate as it is far lower than the national average

Foxconn is a small township by itself. You need to drive for a few kilometers from entry gate to certain plants in the industrial "park" (to me it is a small industrial town). The plant in Dong Guang has almost half a million workers, its whole group has almost a million workers : 20% of Singapore population

So, 15 or 16 people jumped from their plant is really nothing compared to the national average

Of course everyone that jumped is one too many.

Newspapers need to be objective and circumspect in this kind of reporting, instead of sensationalising it. Steve Jobs is right.
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Postby LightingtheSpark » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:39 pm

Agree with verykiasu2010.

It is the media that is playing things up. Foxconn is not the only very large company that has been in the media recently for suicide issues. When you employ as many as 800,000, societal problems are bound to be reflected in your company.

That said, the China problem is a big and important one. Pressures are high in China for individuals. Social imbalances if not resolved, may lead to unrest at an even larger scale.

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Postby noobparent » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:22 am

The term 'high' is quite relative.

I'd be surprised if suicide rate at Foxconn is not high relative to say a typical manufacturing factory in Europe or USA. But yes, maybe Foxconn's suicide rate is considered low when compared to other similar factories in China!

That said, I still want the new Apple iPhone. :D

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Postby auntieM » Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:09 am

This incident, together with the recent adjusted wage and better working conditions promised.. ...is causing quite a bit of 'havoc' in other China factories too.. ...

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Postby auntieM » Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:34 pm

Just reading about Foxconn shutting down part of its operations in China and moving back to Taiwan, as well as looking into starting up in Vietnam and India.. ...umm.. ..
Quite a lot of people will be jobless then.. ...

Soli :offtopic:

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Postby verykiasu2010 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:29 am

auntieM wrote:Just reading about Foxconn shutting down part of its operations in China and moving back to Taiwan, as well as looking into starting up in Vietnam and India.. ...umm.. ..
Quite a lot of people will be jobless then.. ...

Soli :offtopic:


and cause more suicides due to loss of jobs
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Postby verykiasu2010 » Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:32 am

auntieM wrote:This incident, together with the recent adjusted wage and better working conditions promised.. ...is causing quite a bit of 'havoc' in other China factories too.. ...


according to some info which I happened to know, wage is not the issue

Rmb 1000 per month is still many times more than what they get from the farm back home

be prepared to get more expensive electronic toys henceforth
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