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Postby kiasuleaks » Tue Dec 14, 2010 11:40 am

Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted in 1948, states that:
"Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression;
this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference
and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media
and regardless of frontiers."

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Postby peh-boo » Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:30 pm

pls dun anyhow leak.

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Postby snowman.697 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:15 pm

Please, julian assange, or whoever you are, stop.

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Postby 3Boys » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:28 am

Not sure why Julian Assange and his western liberal supporters assume they have a monopoly on wisdom and dictate the human rights agenda for all humanity. Information needs to be used responsibly. The same folk who trumpet the importance of personal privacy, have no regard for the private conversations of others, what utter hypocrisy.

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Postby Way2GO » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:30 pm

What utter hypocrisy?
The wikileaks cables are of public n national interest and so far,
none has encroached on d privacy of private citizens.
U must be naïve to think dat those r private conversations.
Diplomats know such conversations are used for intelligence gathering n r never private.
It became embarrassing only because now d world knows some of d true sentiments/opinions
dat were better left cloaked in secrecy;n d political manoeuvrings behind d scenes.
D biggest embarrassment is d Americans n its security system dat allow a low ranking specialist (now demoted to private)
to leak its embassies’ cables to d world to see.

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Postby 3Boys » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:03 pm

Way2GO wrote:What utter hypocrisy?
The wikileaks cables are of public n national interest and so far,
none has encroached on d privacy of private citizens.
U must be naïve to think dat those r private conversations.
Diplomats know such conversations are used for intelligence gathering n r never private.
It became embarrassing only because now d world knows some of d true sentiments/opinions
dat were better left cloaked in secrecy;n d political manoeuvrings behind d scenes.
D biggest embarrassment is d Americans n its security system dat allow a low ranking specialist (now demoted to private)
to leak its embassies’ cables to d world to see.


Some conversations can be had only within the sanctity of privacy, i.e. out of the public eye. I'm am sure there are things you share with your family or spouse that you would not say, if you knew they were to be broadcast to the public.

The conversations that these diplomats had with each other are opinions voiced in private. If they had been aware that these would be leaked, would they have said the same things?

In what way do these leaks promote national interest? The diplomats and political leaders are already of each others opinions of themselves. They play the diplomacy game because it helps them get things done without having to air dirty laundry. To what extent does the revelation of Tommy Koh's private opinion of the Malaysian PM advance the agenda of national cooperation between the 2 countries? The national leaders don't really care but the general public may demonstrate inappropriate sensitivity which merely constrains the ability of those leaders to act or compromise.

I say again, hypocrisy and irresponsibility. The only thing that is served is titillation disguised as righteous posturing about freedom of information.

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Postby 3Boys » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:15 pm

Before one blindly leaps in and waves the flag for wikileaks, ask yourself, who on earth are these people. Self-styled vigilantes of the internet? Julian Assange himself has been cited as being excited by his 'James Bond' lifestyle. He's a guy that goes around dodging authorities, has no qualms about casual sexual relations. This the guy that you feel comfortable sharing values with? You think he has your interest or that of Singapore at heart? He and his supporters will gladly serve their own information agenda even if it means ruined careers and devastation for affected parties.

You really want to trust these guys?

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Postby Way2GO » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:52 pm

Irresponsible, yes. But hypocrisy? Wat makes u think Julian Assange is just all about freedom of information? Wat does he gain from all this?
Is there some other agenda? Some unseen hands?

It’s already been said by FM GY dat these leaks will make future diplomatic interactions more guarded n dat is to be expected. I didn’t say “ promote national interest”! I said ‘of public n national interests’ – didn’t u also read wikileaks? Didn’t d Malaysians’ politicians react to Singapore’s PS’ comments already?

Please keep my family out of this discussion. As I said, u r mixed up with wat’s public n wat’s private.
These r public servants r doing their jobs. Those exchanges r in d public domain. Just dat in these instances when it gets aired, some revelations make those affected uncomfortable – don’t sweat over it for them.

Just don’t make a sweeping statement dat Julian Assange is a liberal hypocrite for releasing d leaks.
I for one, enjoy reading some of d leaks, didn't u? Does dat make u n me western liberal hypocrites?

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Postby Way2GO » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:55 pm

3Boys wrote: You really want to trust these guys?


I wouldn't trust a guy I don't know personally.
But I believe those cables' leaks (so far) r genuine.

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Postby Way2GO » Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:08 pm

3Boys wrote:Before one blindly leaps in and waves the flag for wikileaks, ask yourself, who on earth are these people. Self-styled vigilantes of the internet? Julian Assange himself has been cited as being excited by his 'James Bond' lifestyle. He's a guy that goes around dodging authorities, has no qualms about casual sexual relations. This the guy that you feel comfortable sharing values with? You think he has your interest or that of Singapore at heart? He and his supporters will gladly serve their own information agenda even if it means ruined careers and devastation for affected parties.


I don’t care about Julian Assange d man. U must be ingenuous to think I m gullible to think dat Julian Assange n his gang has my or Singapore’s interests at heart.
He serves his own interest, so does all d participants in d leaked cables, be it personal, national or whatever.
I just enjoy d read. No judgement on d person.
Why r u so into dis guy? I can't wait to read wat's in d other 800+ leaked cables with Singapore in it.

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