MATERNITY LEAVE - A PROBLEM AT WORKPLACE?

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Yes or No - maternity leave

yes, i am single and i dont like my co-worker to go on maternity leave.
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no, i am single and i dont mind my co-worder to go on maternity leave.
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yes, i am a parent and i dont like my co-worker to go on maternity leave.
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no, i am a parent and i dont mind my co-worker to go on maternity leave.
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MATERNITY LEAVE - A PROBLEM AT WORKPLACE?

Postby LOLMum » Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:20 pm

Wife's pregnancy woes at work
Pay cut at one company, asked to quit from another
Letter from Ang Yang Loong Edwin 04:45 AM Jul 01, 2011 TODAY VOICES


I AM not surprised that the birth rate in Singapore is declining as most companies are not supportive of women bearing more children. My wife and I have a one-year-old daughter. My wife is now pregnant with our second child.

During my wife's first pregnancy at her previous workplace, she was forced to take a 20-per-cent pay cut when she returned from maternity leave. The company cited unsatisfactory performance as the reason for the pay cut.

While looking for new employment, my wife was frequently asked if she would be having a second child soon. Most companies told her upfront that they would not like to hire soon-to-be mothers.

On June 28, a week after my wife told her boss of her latest pregnancy, she was asked to resign.

The management cited unsatisfactory performance as the reason.

However, my wife had only joined the company in March this year and was still undergoing training.

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so far i dont think i have any friends who have this problem.

here, i am not talking about whether it is fair for a company to get rid of a staff who is pregnant or to not hire someone who might wish to get pregnant.

i am thinking of the rest of the staff in the same office who has to cover her dutes for the next few months.

you might/might not have a good working relationship with pregnant co-worker in the office and i can understand if those who resent having to cover the duties are unmarried people but for those who are parents, do you resent your co-worker going on such leaves?

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Re: MATERNITY LEAVE - A PROBLEM AT WORKPLACE?

Postby Flowermonaster » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:18 pm

I'm a new SAHM. Been working for more than 20years. Have never resented colleagues on maternity leaves provided company employed temp staff to help out. If company don't employ temp staff then it's company's fault & not the mum-to-be's fault.

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Re: MATERNITY LEAVE - A PROBLEM AT WORKPLACE?

Postby Flowermonaster » Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:28 pm

I have this ex-colleague who was preg and all colleagues resented it not because of maternity leaves more on her working attitude. She took lots of MCs (at least 2 days each time) and preg woman seems to get MCs easily. Don't do her work, until the task became urgent & others need to clear her shit for her. And these urgent Thingy seemed to spring out only when she was on MCs or on leave. We r all very glad when she goes on maternity leaves! At least we k get temp staff to clear her shits!

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Re: MATERNITY LEAVE - A PROBLEM AT WORKPLACE?

Postby LOLMum » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:29 pm

Flowermonaster wrote:I have this ex-colleague who was preg and all colleagues resented it not because of maternity leaves more on her working attitude. She took lots of MCs (at least 2 days each time) and preg woman seems to get MCs easily. Don't do her work, until the task became urgent & others need to clear her shit for her. And these urgent Thingy seemed to spring out only when she was on MCs or on leave. We r all very glad when she goes on maternity leaves! At least we k get temp staff to clear her shits!



my girlfriend lost her baby because of the hostile working environment and the extra workload piled on her. :sad: :sad: :sad:

we used to work in the same office (different depts) so i saw/heard how stressed she was and the snide remarks she got from both male and female co-workers.

she was asked to deliver "urgent documents" to various departments on different floors (sometimes just one floor above or below, so got to take stairs cos' lift took such a long time to come) more often than usual. sometimes, another friend and i ran the errands for her secretly especially those big bulky files.

when she lost her baby, they had the cheek to say why so careless........ :mad:

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Re: MATERNITY LEAVE - A PROBLEM AT WORKPLACE?

Postby LKVM » Tue Jul 05, 2011 4:31 pm

OMG .... thats quite unfair leh!!

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Re: MATERNITY LEAVE - A PROBLEM AT WORKPLACE?

Postby toddles » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:15 pm

I don't mind cos I have a very good working environment and we are all like family. So we don't mind covering the maternity leave mum's duties, since our boss will also share the burden with us. No temp is usually hired cos it's hard to find temp staff for this level of responsibilities...

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Re: MATERNITY LEAVE - A PROBLEM AT WORKPLACE?

Postby Joule » Wed Jul 06, 2011 12:44 am

it depends on how high you are in the food chain and how fast...

and sadly, in Singapore, how high you are in the food chain is largely dependent on....? (I think you ppl know your own answer).

But I can understand why some companies sack their pregnant mom-to-be.

They have bottom line to keep.

Assuming they have to hire a temp:

it is, 4 months of ML + CPF and other contributions + 4 months - 5 months of hiring temp to cover...assuming temp works at half salary.... it is paying 6 months of expectant mom salary....for NO WORK DONE

For an SME....really siong. The boss can sweat.... if the company goes under...then how?

If I were a boss facing this kind of situation, I would just tell my staff....sorry la, I really cannot afford to pay your ML....

Then this links to a larger problem...how come gahmen not picking up the tab ah?

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Re: MATERNITY LEAVE - A PROBLEM AT WORKPLACE?

Postby Flowermonaster » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:52 am

LOLMum, your friend's case is really the extreme! My ex-colleague was not being ill-treated in this manner. All her colleagues were happy for her when she was pregnant. They don't resent her taking maternity leaves, they just resent her for giving them surprises. They never pile her with extra work instead her workload was reduced when she claimed she can't cope. sadly she just took advantage of their goodwill - she surf Internet during work on her bb's stuff, do her shopping list, called confinement agency to arrange for confinement matters, etc... Except doing her work!!! So I guess it's normal for her colleagues to be angry right?

LOLMum wrote:
Flowermonaster wrote:I have this ex-colleague who was preg and all colleagues resented it not because of maternity leaves more on her working attitude. She took lots of MCs (at least 2 days each time) and preg woman seems to get MCs easily. Don't do her work, until the task became urgent & others need to clear her shit for her. And these urgent Thingy seemed to spring out only when she was on MCs or on leave. We r all very glad when she goes on maternity leaves! At least we k get temp staff to clear her shits!



my girlfriend lost her baby because of the hostile working environment and the extra workload piled on her. :sad: :sad: :sad:

we used to work in the same office (different depts) so i saw/heard how stressed she was and the snide remarks she got from both male and female co-workers.

she was asked to deliver "urgent documents" to various departments on different floors (sometimes just one floor above or below, so got to take stairs cos' lift took such a long time to come) more often than usual. sometimes, another friend and i ran the errands for her secretly especially those big bulky files.

when she lost her baby, they had the cheek to say why so careless........ :mad:

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Re: MATERNITY LEAVE - A PROBLEM AT WORKPLACE?

Postby toddles » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:29 am

Joule wrote:They have bottom line to keep.

Assuming they have to hire a temp:

it is, 4 months of ML + CPF and other contributions + 4 months - 5 months of hiring temp to cover...assuming temp works at half salary.... it is paying 6 months of expectant mom salary....for NO WORK DONE

For an SME....really siong. The boss can sweat.... if the company goes under...then how?

If I were a boss facing this kind of situation, I would just tell my staff....sorry la, I really cannot afford to pay your ML....

Then this links to a larger problem...how come gahmen not picking up the tab ah?


Gahmen pays for 2 months of ML actually. the coy only needs to pay the first 2 months.

of course coy still needs to pay for the temp and agree that it can be very siong for SME...

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Re: MATERNITY LEAVE - A PROBLEM AT WORKPLACE?

Postby Fairy » Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:29 am

Flowermonaster wrote:LOLMum, your friend's case is really the extreme! My ex-colleague was not being ill-treated in this manner. All her colleagues were happy for her when she was pregnant. They don't resent her taking maternity leaves, they just resent her for giving them surprises. They never pile her with extra work instead her workload was reduced when she claimed she can't cope. sadly she just took advantage of their goodwill - she surf Internet during work on her bb's stuff, do her shopping list, called confinement agency to arrange for confinement matters, etc... Except doing her work!!! So I guess it's normal for her colleagues to be angry right?

LOLMum wrote:
Flowermonaster wrote:I have this ex-colleague who was preg and all colleagues resented it not because of maternity leaves more on her working attitude. She took lots of MCs (at least 2 days each time) and preg woman seems to get MCs easily. Don't do her work, until the task became urgent & others need to clear her shit for her. And these urgent Thingy seemed to spring out only when she was on MCs or on leave. We r all very glad when she goes on maternity leaves! At least we k get temp staff to clear her shits!





I can understand where you're coming from. I have this ex-colleague whom, before she discovered she was finally pregnant, was taking ML very often. She had difficulty conceiving and was seeking specialist help for some time. Naturally, we were very happy for her when she announced she was carrying twins. Her boss reduced her workload by more than half and was very understanding towards her frequent call-ins to report for ML. Her doc was also very understanding and gave her HL leniently whenever she needed rest. Such HL lasted a week at a stretch. She also took ML whenever she go for check ups, which was quite often due to the fact that she was carrying twins. As her boss kept reducing her workload, the other colleagus got more and more disgruntled. As the other staff at her section was relatively new, less than a year, she was more than 3 years with the organisation, her boss was very afraid to lose her. She got the lion's share of the year end bonus despite not being around for most part of the year. It's not easy for her co-workers to be empathetic towards her when they got her workload while she continue to enjoy her leaves, salary and bonus.

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