Abolishment of ISA in Malaysia

General comments and chit-chat, or tell us how we can improve KiasuParents.com

Abolishment of ISA in Malaysia

Postby 3Boys » Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:00 am

Now that Malaysia has announced its intentions -->

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BN ... 99697.html

http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BN ... 99688.html

...lets see how the g'ment responds.

3Boys
KiasuGrandMaster
KiasuGrandMaster
 
Posts: 5014
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:28 pm
Total Likes: 220


Re: Abolishment of ISA in Malaysia

Postby concern2 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:05 am

Interesting.

Also came across the article in theonlinecitizen today - someone dug out what LHL said in 1991:

from The Straits Times dated 3 February 1991:

Singapore will seriously consider abolishing the Internal Security Act if Malaysia were to do so, said Deputy Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.
Brigadier-General (Res) Lee made this response to seven Malaysian journalist s in his office recently when asked why the ISA was still needed in Singapore even though the Communist Party of Malaya no longer posed a threat.
He said that if Malaysia did not abolish the same Act, which provides for indefinite detention without trial, it must have its reasons.
In the interview published in the Nanyang Siang Pau, a Malaysian daily and Lianhe Zaobao yesterday, BG Lee said: “Communism may be dead, but it is not the only threat. We must still deal with other groups, like religious extremists – members of a Malay group were arrested under the Act for making preparations to commemorate the May 13th incident.”
The May 13 riots in Malaysia in 1969 started soon after Alliance won a narrow victory in the general elections. A series of bloody clashes broke out between the Chinese and Malay communities, leading to a state of emergency.
He added: “There were also the dissidents and church members involved in a conspiracy to subvert Singapore’s political and social order three years ago; another incident involved Francis Seow being exploited by the US. Had there been no ISA, these cases could never have been exposed. So, it is still better for us to retain the Act.”
In an earlier meeting with the journalists, Law and Home Affairs Minister S. Jayakumar stressed the need to deal with racial and religious extremism, even though there was no threat from communism.
On the detention order on former Barisan Socialis MP Chia Thye Poh, he said that although Mr Chia is restricted to Sentosa, he is allowed to visit mainland Singapore during the day, but must return to the island in the evening.
Asked by Nanyang Siang Pau about the possibility of a complete withdrawal of the detention order, Prof Jayakumar said he did not rule this out. But, he said, even though Mr Chia has been conducting himself well on the island, he is still not willing to disavow communism.

Source:http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/09/pm-lhl-spore-consider-scrapping-isa/

concern2
KiasuGrandMaster
KiasuGrandMaster
 
Posts: 4895
Joined: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:18 pm
Total Likes: 29


Re: Abolishment of ISA in Malaysia

Postby 3Boys » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:14 am

Thanks concern2, I was searching for that article.

Religious extremism can be dealt with under the religious harmony act.

Conspiracy to subvert Singapore's political and social order?? Pffftt...

3Boys
KiasuGrandMaster
KiasuGrandMaster
 
Posts: 5014
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:28 pm
Total Likes: 220


Re: Abolishment of ISA in Malaysia

Postby Way2GO » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:35 pm

16 September 2011
Ministry of Home Affairs Press Statement on ISA, 16 September 2011
The Government notes the announcement by Malaysia that it will be replacing its Internal Security Act (ISA) with new legislation aimed at preventing “subversive action, organised violence and criminal acts”.
2 The ISA in Singapore and Malaysia may have the same roots from the time when both were British colonies, but the two countries and their respective societies have evolved differently over time. Accordingly, the ISA in Singapore has evolved and is now different from that in Malaysia. A person arrested under the ISA in Singapore may be held in custody for up to 30 days after which an Order of Detention or Restriction Order must be issued or else the person must be released unconditionally. In Malaysia, the period of custody is up to 60 days. Also, under the Singapore ISA, since 1991, the President has the power to veto the Government’s decision to detain a detainee if the ISA Advisory Board, which is chaired by a Supreme Court Judge, has recommended the release of the detainee. This was an additional safeguard enacted by the Singapore Government to prevent misuse of the Act.
3 The Singapore Government has used the ISA sparingly. The ISA has only been used against individuals who have acted in a manner prejudicial to the security of Singapore or to the maintenance of public order or essential services therein. No person has ever been detained only for their political beliefs.
4 The ISA in Singapore has only been used to deal with threats of subversion, racial and religious extremism (such as inciting racial or religious hatred, strife and violence), espionage and terrorism. These threats continue to be salient today, especially in the last ten years against the threat of terrorism, where the Government’s priority is to act swiftly to prevent an attack from taking place. The arrests made under the ISA in Dec 2001 thwarted the imminent suicide bombings against establishments in Singapore that were planned by Al-Qaeda operatives assisted by several of the arrested Jemaah Islamiyah members, preventing the loss of innocent lives. The ISA continues to be relevant and crucial as a measure of last resort for the preservation of our national security.

Ministry of Home Affairs
16 September 2011

link here: http://www.mha.gov.sg/news_details.aspx?nid=MjA4NQ%3d%3d-Dmf5juIlzOA%3d

Does dat answer ur questions?
To d underlined text in dat statement,
my only response now is :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Is Operation Coldstore a figment of our imagination?

Way2GO
KiasuGrandMaster
KiasuGrandMaster
 
Posts: 4494
Joined: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:33 pm
Total Likes: 4


Re: Abolishment of ISA in Malaysia

Postby Way2GO » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:02 pm

d ISA has been in existence for > 50 years n it took MHA/gahmen all of one day of serious consideration
after PM Najib’s announcement to discuss n issue dis statement?
Was there any serious consideration or discussion at all?
Sounds very insincere to me dat pronouncement made in Feb 1991.

Way2GO
KiasuGrandMaster
KiasuGrandMaster
 
Posts: 4494
Joined: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:33 pm
Total Likes: 4



Re: Abolishment of ISA in Malaysia

Postby 3Boys » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:16 pm

Way2GO wrote:d ISA has been in existence for > 50 years n it took MHA/gahmen all of one day of serious consideration
after PM Najib’s announcement to discuss n issue dis statement?
Was there any serious consideration or discussion at all?
Sounds very insincere to me dat pronouncement made in Feb 1991.

100% agree with you. Superficial, derisory answer. Does not even give themselves room for maneuver.

3Boys
KiasuGrandMaster
KiasuGrandMaster
 
Posts: 5014
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:28 pm
Total Likes: 220


Re: Abolishment of ISA in Malaysia

Postby Strparent » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:18 am

Image

a promise is a promise. :roll:

Strparent
BrownBelt
BrownBelt
 
Posts: 709
Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2010 4:54 pm
Total Likes: 5


Re: Abolishment of ISA in Malaysia

Postby 3Boys » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:32 am

Strparent wrote:Image

a promise is a promise. :roll:


Compare this with the half-baked MHA reply....I mean seriously, who has given thought and due process and who has given a lazy, knee jerk answer? :mad:

Expect much much more from a g'ment that touts it own excellence, completely unacceptable.

3Boys
KiasuGrandMaster
KiasuGrandMaster
 
Posts: 5014
Joined: Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:28 pm
Total Likes: 220


Re: Abolishment of ISA in Malaysia

Postby verykiasu2010 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:49 am

1. I believe Malaysia will replace the to-be-abolished ISA with something similar after their general election. They also need something to tackle terrorism. They announce it now to win votes, without saying what they will do after the new Parliament is opened

2. Singapore also need the ISA or something similar to handle terrorism related matters.

ample examples of incidents in those countries who championed too much "freedom"

look at New York City, every alternate junction is manned by police / police car in the run up to and during the 9/11 anniversary last sunday; every vehicle entering the huge blocked out zone has to be checked
verykiasu2010
KiasuGrandMaster
KiasuGrandMaster
 
Posts: 11696
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:06 pm
Total Likes: 2


Re: Abolishment of ISA in Malaysia

Postby Way2GO » Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:37 am

verykiasu2010 wrote:1. I believe Malaysia will replace the to-be-abolished ISA with something similar after their general election. They also need something to tackle terrorism. They announce it now to win votes, without saying what they will do after the new Parliament is opened

2. Singapore also need the ISA or something similar to handle terrorism related matters.

ample examples of incidents in those countries who championed too much "freedom"

look at New York City, every alternate junction is manned by police / police car in the run up to and during the 9/11 anniversary last sunday; every vehicle entering the huge blocked out zone has to be checked


It may well be for political expediency in coming polls dat PM Najib wants to abolish d ISA.
d ISA has been abused in Malaysia for political ends, n d pressure to abandon it has come fr many quarters.

Why couldn’t d power-dat-be in SG review the ISA, which has remained largely unchanged in substance since its inception save for d Presidential veto introduced in 1991,
to pass specific laws to deal with terrorism, subversion n espionage?
Why d need to still keep in force an archaic law introduced by the British in 1948
dat has served its purpose to fight communism during d Emergency years?
Wat’s left unsaid in d gahmen’s response is fear n control.
d ISA is like a ‘catch-all’ broad sword of Damocles deterring anyone who may step out of line.

If d tables were turned today n power is wielded in d hands of a ‘rogue’ gahmen,
d PAP cabinet could all possibly end up in Whitley such as happened in Operation ColdStore in 1963.
Even decent folks will not sleep well in d night.

Way2GO
KiasuGrandMaster
KiasuGrandMaster
 
Posts: 4494
Joined: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:33 pm
Total Likes: 4


Next

Return to Recess Time