Mom call police and MOE : Teacher force son for a haircut

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Re: Mom call police and MOE : Teacher force son for a haircu

Post by tankee » Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:00 pm

Funz wrote:I am of the opinion that the school does not have the right to lay a hand on any child without the parents agreeing to it. Physical punishment should be used as a last resort. If the boy repeatedly refuses to get his hair cut, a suspension till he cuts his hair could be a better decision.

And after reading the link 2ppaamm posted, I think the teacher is loco. He thinks he is running a military camp. The boy can't help having a full head of thick hair right? Maybe the teacher is balding and suffers a bad case of envy. Upon seeing these kids with healthy thick hair he had a psychotic break and thinks he is Edward Scissorhand thus the hack job. :laugh:
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Re: Mom call police and MOE : Teacher force son for a haircu

Post by Pen88n » Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:13 pm

Before any physical punishment, the school ought to have issued warning letters, with the punishment to be carried out clearly stated if no action is taken. In addition, the punishment should be decided and carried out by more than 1 party to prevent abuse of authority and bullying cases.

On this topic of boys having long hair, what about cases of boys having pierced ears, nose, tongue, lips etc. and tattoos? Where should the school / teacher draw the line given this "human rights"? Personally, I am of the opinion that school is an institution, and whilst you are in that institution, you abide by the rules. Do we really want to see our kids going round bending all rules by exerting their "human rights"?

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Re: Mom call police and MOE : Teacher force son for a haircu

Post by cnimed » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:03 pm

These are no big deal. Here, it is mostly fashion. But tattoos and rings can also have deep cultural meanings and origins if you look deeper. Our perception has been shaped by policies made some fifty years ago when secret societies were rife.

Will kids abuse "human rights"? Of course they will give it their best go!! Even adults will try it against traffic police! At the end of the day, having a half shaven head and tongue ring (which my young relatives have) have nothing to do with listening respectfully in class while the teacher is teaching. There's no need to make it into such a big deal. When they realize how troublesome it is to keep the tongue area clean and to wash the piercing, they will eventually take it out themselves.

Children are reasonable people if we take the trouble to explain the situation and not try to act omnipotent. They are generally happy to help and to contribute if given a chance. But first they need to feel valued and accepted as they are.

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Re: Mom call police and MOE : Teacher force son for a haircu

Post by 2ppaamm » Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:47 pm

Having thought about it a little more, I think this teacher is definitely not psychologically sound. We've only gone into the 2nd week of the year, so he could not have given any warning to the boy about his hair prior to cutting it. He cut the boy's hair on the first day of school! Therefore, the problem he has with the boy cannot be a recurrent disobedience with regards to his hair.

Secondly, his problem is not with this boy alone. He cut more than one boy's hair! I agree that butchering another person's hair cannot be the right behavior from a teacher in any society including a barbaric one.

Thirdly, the boy did cut his hair on Dec 30. So he had short hair, only that it was too thick. O goodness, I think he is a mad teacher, either power crazy or completely gone up there and therefore not suitable to teach at all?!

Sending kids to school these days is just so 'dangerous', end of last year, we have predatory teachers who courted and had sexual relationship with young teens, then mad teachers butchering boys' hair... bi-sexual principals, bus-driver molesters, child-porn MOE-scholars eeeeeeeekkkkkksss!!! maybe e-learning is not a bad idea afterall. I think I'd probably stick to homeschooling. :siam:

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Re: Mom call police and MOE : Teacher force son for a haircu

Post by Daddy D » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:09 am

I think u think too much... :razz: :siao: :siam:


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Re: Mom call police and MOE : Teacher force son for a haircu

Post by 2ppaamm » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:12 am

Daddy D wrote:I think u think too much... :razz: :siao: :siam:
Yes, I do. :laugh:

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Re: Mom call police and MOE : Teacher force son for a haircu

Post by EN » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:25 am

Hello EN!!! you dropping by? Hope not dropping hair like the teacher/me.
Trying to come back again. Dropping hair? Yes! Mine, different case. I was being spelled by the evil ...

Anyway, I don't agree with the teacher's action. My ds has very thick wavy hair. Typically need to cut every weekly. But I saw another boy with much longer hair not reprimanded. Why? Because the other boy hair stands up like durian. :lol:

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Re: Mom call police and MOE : Teacher force son for a haircu

Post by buds » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:43 am

Chenonceau wrote:Too thick is not against the school rules leh.... Maybe Teacher has hairstylist fantasies like Zohan in "You Don't Mess With the Zohan".
:lol:

You oso know how to do the sticky uh, Chenonceau.. :evil:

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Re: Mom call police and MOE : Teacher force son for a haircu

Post by buds » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:44 am

Chenonceau wrote:Dropping 18 years.... logically, you should have no more hair...
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Re: Mom call police and MOE : Teacher force son for a haircu

Post by buds » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:16 am

Pen88n wrote:Before any physical punishment, the school ought to have issued warning letters, with the punishment to be carried out clearly stated if no action is taken. In addition, the punishment should be decided and carried out by more than 1 party to prevent abuse of authority and bullying cases.
Aaah.. we meet again Pen88n. :lol:

Let me expand on what you have shared above.

My brothers were both in the same school as myself as juniors. My history teacher who was also the discipline master came to see me during one of my other subject lessons to inform me that my brother was given 3 days to get a neat haircut, in his case it was pretty unruly. A definite defiance issue as he hated his form teacher's guts. Failure to do so will mean that school rules have been blatantly flouted and that he would have used up all three warnings plus a direct order of "go cut your hair... and you're given 3 days grace to do so". All the four course of actions were executed verbally and also in black and white. Parents were informed. I was informed as well as the teacher was the one who checked the roster for prefectorial duties which i was tasked upon under his team of prefects.

Spoke to my parents abt it and they gave him $10 to get a decent haircut of his choice and something that met the school's expectations. 4th day came and he didn't budge. He didn't return the $10 given by my parents and parents of those day and age support teacher's punishment or detention (etc) in cases where a child's total defiance stood in the way of discipline. My parents said that if teacher was to approach me again to bear news of the consequences (that they will anyhow cut his hair as a supposed deterrent factor since it'd look like sh** and he'd be the joke of the school...) that the teacher was allowed to go ahead. He also still had the $10 to repair whatever damage the teacher might do to his mop crop.

So on the fateful 4th day... he was being brought to my class again by the same teacher with his mop covering his eyes and nose as he looked down to avoid the stares of the other students. Teacher came to inform me that they were going to cut his hair liao and want me to bear witness together with another teacher, which in total meant there were two teachers plus myself... that the consequence of his action or in this case no-action was executed with his and our (family) understanding and in no way a grudge haircut.

What the teacher (who was to cut the hair) did was to cleverly zig-zag the length of bro's hair above the collar... meaning to say if he was to repair it had to go shorter than that.

Bro was quiet thru out and still with his defiant look... but knowing him better than anyone else, he had that evil sinister smile like "see-if-i-care" beneath the stoic expression. He was allowed to look at the haircutting process thru out and he was counselled in my presence. He also had a chance to say why he did what he did and oh he said his piece. Short and concise but enough to get the form teacher under the radar. Apparently he was being picked on for some reason. I had to bring him back to class after that. The form teacher's retort at seeing him made me realize bro did tell the truth abt his unhappiness. The tone was definitely meant to demean. Bro just smiled in defiance.

So, teens that age do actually know right from wrong and rules are meant to be followed and not broken but there are underlying reasons as to why certain actions and counselling fall on deaf ears. Lack of understanding, communication and also lack of opportunities to voice out in cases where conformity was deemed as obedience and non-conformity was deemed pai-kia-like... any student who fell behind the straight lines were being condemned. This is the fist rule of those days.. where parents go, "Teacher if my son doesn't behave i give you permission to cane. He must learn his lesson or be a misfit of society in the future. Take him in hand whenever you have to."

Cut story short.. bro was one of the better performers that year end which surprised the form teacher to no end.. as for his hair after the special school haircut (he says not everyone can get a teacher to cut their hair for them leh)..

Bro sported the botak look. :wink:

Instead of being teased by his peers and being the joke of the year... he apparently was lauded for being bold. Teacher was investigated & called upon for closed door mediation with him. Words were exchanged and things did improve. Guess different schools will do things differently and yes of course, different schools would give different style haircut. :wink:

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