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how much is the price of a life ?

Postby verykiasu2010 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:08 am

'Greater accountability needed from SAF'
by Tan Weizhen 04:45 AM Sep 18, 2012


SINGAPORE - Her son, Lee Rui Feng Dominique Sarron had died in April in a military training exercise. Last week, Madam Felicia Seah wrote an open letter - which was posted on a Facebook page set up in memory of her 21-year-old son - urging "all parents of Singaporean sons to stand with me, to advocate for greater accountability" from the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF) "for the safety of our sons".

Recalling how her world "collapsed" when she learnt of her son's death, Mdm Seah claimed it would have been averted if his superiors had paid heed to his condition.

"It is clear to my family and me that my son's death was preventable. He was asthmatic. The incident that cost him his life was an urban training exercise involving smoke bombs in a confined area," said Mdm Seah.

As of yesterday, the impassioned letter was shared on the social networking site more than 280 times and was "liked" by more than 900 users.

Among other things, it called for "more thorough screening" of the medical history of enlistees and "more stringent monitoring of staff who oversee (full-time national servicemen), to weed out abuse of power at all levels".

Mdm Seah wrote: "We cannot allow for our sons to be at the mercy of the training officers ... who are very often little older and none the wiser than the boys they are tasked to oversee, boys whose lives often depend on the decisions that they make."

The Ministry of Defence (MINDEF) is awaiting the findings of its investigations. In response to TODAY's queries, MINDEF Director Public Affairs, Colonel Kenneth Liow, said that the ministry and the SAF "would like to again express our deepest condolences to Mdm Seah and her family" on Mr Lee's death.

MINDEF's Family Liaison Officer "has been in regular contact" with Mdm Seah and her family, and the SAF "remains committed to assisting the family and providing them the necessary support during this difficult time", Col Liow said.

Stressing that safety is a top priority for MINDEF and the SAF, he added: "Every incident resulting in injury or death is painful to us and gets top management attention. We will learn from every incident to continually improve our safety system to ensure high standards of training safety."

Last month, Defence Minister Ng Eng Hen announced that MINDEF is conducting a broad review of its medical support system, including its Medical Classification and Screening System.

Cardiologist Leslie Lam told TODAY that the screening should involve ultrasound scanning of the hearts of enlistees. This would identify underlying conditions which a normal electro-cardiogram (ECG) - currently a part of the screening system - would not pick up.

However, each ultrasound scanner costs about S$250,000 and Dr Clarence Yeo, a general practitioner, pointed out that cost could be an issue.

Still, he agreed that more needs to be done in screening certain parts of the body, such as the respiratory system and muscular-skeletal structure.

http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/ED ... d-from-SAF
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Re: how much is the price of a life ?

Postby verykiasu2010 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:11 am

we spent millions and millions every where with questionable necessity and sting on $250k ? what kind of warped logic do we have in the gov't ? it is not even 10% of the PM's salary. What cost ?

if we really value life, what is $250k ? or even a few of $250k ?

it is just 3 pieces of COE
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Re: how much is the price of a life ?

Postby Way2GO » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:22 am

MINDEF consistent response when asked dis question is dat it is a matter of policy not to reveal d payout.
If u know wat d payout is, there is likely to be public disbelief n possible public outcry :whut:

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Re: how much is the price of a life ?

Postby verykiasu2010 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:33 am

Way2GO wrote:MINDEF consistent response when asked dis question is dat it is a matter of policy not to reveal d payout.
If u know wat d payout is, there is likely to be public disbelief n possible public outcry :whut:


probably not even one peanut
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Re: how much is the price of a life ?

Postby Way2GO » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:34 am

I picked up dis post fr a Mr. Phillip Phay in http://therealsingapore.com/content/saf-insensitive-towards-deceased-nsfs-family

In March 2010, my son, Wesley Phay, 17, a former GEP student who is diagnosed with severe suicidal depression by the MOH-IMH Child Guidance Clinic's Senior Consultant, was due to have his enlistment medical check-up. He has expressed much anxiety about serving his National Service due to his severe depression, and I contacted CMPB to request for a one-to-one evaluation by the Mindef Psychiatrist to determine his status before the medical check-up, citing his severe depression. Not only did the staff at CMPB take it very lightly, they insisted that he should attend the medical check-up 'just like everybody else". I think that their attitude is that these boys are just a number to them, not a human being, not somebody's precious son. On 22 March, the day of my son's medical check-up, he committed suicide. I will never forget that day. Worse of all, when I was at the mortuary to collect my son's body, CMPB staff kept calling me to ask if my son is going to report for the medical check-up, and threatening to issue a summon to make him report. When I scolded them that they didn't even flag out this case as special-illness case as I had requested, but just any other case, and that my son had committed suicide and I was at the mortuary, they only said "Oh" and hung up. No apologies whatsoever! Heartless bastards. I had wanted to write to Mindef at that time, but didn't do so because of the funeral and the grief we were all suffering. This article brought back those painful moments. And I decided to post this. Please keep up the pressure to the Mindef, SAF, Home Team, Civil Defence, and to pressure them to take serious precautions and treat every male citizens enlisted in National Service with utmost respect and care. Every NS man alive is an extra man to defend Singapore.

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Re: how much is the price of a life ?

Postby Way2GO » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:43 am

verykiasu2010 wrote:
probably not even one peanut

Its at d lowest end of six-figure sum for a life lost while serving.
One shd also be aware dat most, if not all, insurance policies, specifically exclude all claims if injury/loss of life occurs as a result of military involvement.
So wat MINDEF pays out is all a deceased soldier's family gets n it is really much less than a peanut for a life.
Understand MINDEF is now encouraging soldiers to take part in a Group Insurance policy, its optional but soldiers hv to pay out of their own pockets.

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Re: how much is the price of a life ?

Postby daisyt » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:49 am

They rather think a person choose to escape than to put in extra effort to evaluate.

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Re: how much is the price of a life ?

Postby vlim » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:52 am

Oh gosh .. So sad to read the above posts .. :sad: ....
Every life is precious ... Every ns man is someone's precious son whom they have brought up with care and love .. :sad:

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Re: how much is the price of a life ?

Postby kiddo » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:12 am

verykiasu2010 wrote:we spent millions and millions every where with questionable necessity and sting on $250k ? what kind of warped logic do we have in the gov't ? it is not even 10% of the PM's salary. What cost ?

if we really value life, what is $250k ? or even a few of $250k ?

it is just 3 pieces of COE


250k ....peanut ! kacang ! our children worth more billion put together
money cannot pay the bleeding heart of a parent.

sighnn... can we not understand unless the lost is so close to us????
Time for a wake up call .

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Re: how much is the price of a life ?

Postby Oppsgal » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:13 am

Way2GO wrote:
verykiasu2010 wrote:
probably not even one peanut

Its at d lowest end of six-figure sum for a life lost while serving.
One shd also be aware dat most, if not all, insurance policies, specifically exclude all claims if injury/loss of life occurs as a result of military involvement.
So wat MINDEF pays out is all a deceased soldier's family gets n it is really much less than a peanut for a life.
Understand MINDEF is now encouraging soldiers to take part in a Group Insurance policy, its optional but soldiers hv to pay out of their own pockets.


Should do free health screening before sent for training? I think group insurance also cannot do much a help if dead. (touch wood).

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