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Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Problem Not Over?

Postby tankee » Sat Jul 13, 2013 7:51 pm

LONDON: An Ethiopian Airlines 787 Dreamliner caught fire at London's Heathrow airport on Friday in the latest calamity for Boeing's troubled jet, forcing the airport to shut down for an hour-and-a-half.

Heathrow suspended both its runways after the fire on the parked plane was reported at around 1530 GMT. It announced 90 minutes later that services were resuming but warned passengers to expect delays.

"Emergency services are currently dealing with the incident. No one was on board so there were no casualties," said a spokeswoman for the west London airport.

Television images showed the Dreamliner surrounded by pools of foam, with three fire engines on the scene.

A Boeing spokesman told AFP: "We're aware of the event. We have Boeing personnel on the ground at Heathrow and are working to fully understand and address this."

Boeing temporarily withdrew the Dreamliner from service earlier this year for modifications after concerns that batteries on board could cause fires.

The global grounding order was issued in January after lithium-ion batteries overheated on two different jets, with one of them catching fire while the aircraft was parked.

Boeing has not been able to identify the root cause of the problems, but rolled out modifications it said would ensure they were safe.

In April, an Ethiopian Airlines Dreamliner - reported to be the same plane that caught fire at Heathrow - flew from Addis Ababa to Nairobi on the first commercial flight since the grounding.

Heathrow is London's main airport and one of the busiest passenger hubs in the world.

- AFP/fl

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Re: Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Problem Not Over?

Postby atrecord » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:23 pm

boeing really having problems now... gone are the days when the reliable 707, 727, 737, 747 are the most trustworthy planes...

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Re: Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Problem Not Over?

Postby 3Boys » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:57 am

atrecord wrote:boeing really having problems now... gone are the days when the reliable 707, 727, 737, 747 are the most trustworthy planes...


Ummm.....not trying to defend the Dreamliner, but I think modern jets are much better engineered and built than the old 707s and 727s. Even the 737s and 747s made today are far different beasts from when they first started making then.

I also think the 777s are great planes....when pilots aren't trying to fly them into San Francisco Bay :roll:

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Re: Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Problem Not Over?

Postby pirate » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:03 am

The 737 is one of the most ridiculously robust passenger jets around. One of them (Aloha Air 243) actually managed to land safely with a quarter of its roof ripped off in 1988.

Don't think any of the passengers will ever drive a convertible again.

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Re: Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Problem Not Over?

Postby tankee » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:07 am

this time the problem said not related to battery.

don't know that is good news or bad

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Re: Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Problem Not Over?

Postby Busymom » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:59 am

atrecord wrote:boeing really having problems now... gone are the days when the reliable 707, 727, 737, 747 are the most trustworthy planes...


The A380 have their share of problems too, and we don't know yet about what problems the A350 may have :wink:

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Re: Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Problem Not Over?

Postby atrecord » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:41 pm

Busymom wrote:
atrecord wrote:boeing really having problems now... gone are the days when the reliable 707, 727, 737, 747 are the most trustworthy planes...


The A380 have their share of problems too, and we don't know yet about what problems the A350 may have :wink:


yes, the A380 is another joke!

I know that Way before the Qantas jet had its engine blown after taking off from Changi...

In 2008, few months after A380 made its maiden commercial flight, my father was scheduled to take one morning SQ flight to fly to Beijing to attend the Olympics opening ceremony. He boarded the plane, waited a while, then was told to disembark because 'the aircon was spoilt'. The passengers were later asked to board another similar plane, and it took off about 5 hr plus late. The passengers were given lunch while waiting. And i remembered asking traveller's insurance claims on my father's behalf, for flight delay. They came back saying something like it was just 20 minutes short of the 6 or 8 hour delay that was allowed before any claims can be made...

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Re: Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Problem Not Over?

Postby atrecord » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:50 pm

3Boys wrote:
atrecord wrote:boeing really having problems now... gone are the days when the reliable 707, 727, 737, 747 are the most trustworthy planes...


Ummm.....not trying to defend the Dreamliner, but I think modern jets are much better engineered and built than the old 707s and 727s. Even the 737s and 747s made today are far different beasts from when they first started making then.

I also think the 777s are great planes....when pilots aren't trying to fly them into San Francisco Bay :roll:



I am sure the 3 or 4 decades difference in production time must mean that the modern jets are more advanced than the older ones.

But i'm also wondering whether the manufacturers did enough tests/trials before they commissioned the planes. Car manufacturers i know often have recall years after a car is commissioned. I hope planes are checked more stringently...

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Re: Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Problem Not Over?

Postby tankee » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:15 pm

NEW YORK CITY: Boeing's 787 Dreamliner airplane continued to face scrutiny Friday following recent incidents, but the company described them as normal growing pains for a young aircraft.

The aircraft has been under the spotlight since the US Federal Aviation Administration and other regulators grounded the aircraft globally for three months earlier this year due to overheating batteries.

An aviation source told AFP Friday that a 787 operated by Qatar Airways had been grounded in Doha since Monday due to a problem with an electrical panel.

A Qatar Airways spokesman in London said the company "is aware of a very minor incident which has been resolved" and refused to comment further or provide details.

Other media accounts described a fire aboard an Air India 787. Air India rated the episode a "minor incident," according to one report.

Japan's All Nippon Airways (ANA) said Friday that it found damage to the battery wiring on 787 emergency locator beacons, the same device suspected of causing a fire on an Ethiopian Airlines 787 parked at London's Heathrow airport this month.

"We have found small damage to the covering of the battery wiring in two Emergency Locator Transmitters," said an ANA spokesman.

Boeing declined to comment on the incidents individually, referring questions to the respective airline.

"The 787 is a great airplane and we know it will continue to receive heightened attention when reliability events occur in service," said a Boeing spokeswoman.

"Every new airplane experiences early in-service component reliability issues. Overall 787 in-service performance continues on par with the Boeing 777 experience at the same time frame following its introduction," the spokeswoman said.

"That said, we continue to focus on the 787's reliability improvement efforts."

The 787 has had its share of disappointments since its creation. The plane finally made its service debut in October 2011 after several years of production delays.

The biggest crisis came earlier this year when regulators grounded the plane in mid-January following two battery overheating incidents that caused a fire on a Japan Airlines 787 parked at Boston's Logan airport and smoke that forced an ANA aircraft into an emergency landing.

The grounding was lifted more than three months later after regulators approved Boeing's battery fix.

Following the Ethiopian Airlines fire two weeks ago, British authorities recommended that the distress beacons onboard all Boeing Dreamliners be disabled, after identifying the devices as the likely cause of the fire.

US and European regulators have since ordered airlines to deactivate and inspect the emergency locator beacons. On Thursday, the FAA told airlines to remove or inspect them.

The same day as the London fire, a Dreamliner operated by Thomson Airways was forced to return to Manchester shortly after takeoff. The following week, a Japan Airlines Boeing 787 was forced to return to Boston due to a possible pump problem.

An executive from Boeing arch-rival Airbus, John Leahy, was quoted following the Heathrow fire as saying the 787 was "not reliable."

Asked about the comments, Boeing chief executive Jim McNerney said Leahy "got carried away with himself." McNerney said customer support for the aircraft "remains high."

Boeing earlier this week reported better-than-expected quarterly results and increased its profit forecast for the year.

The Dreamliner was not the only Boeing vehicle in the news Friday. The FAA proposed a $2.75 million penalty on Boeing for quality control violations on its 777 airplanes.

The FAA said Boeing failed to meet its own deadlines for addressing problems with the aircraft once they surfaced. Boeing has 30 days to respond to the FAA's proposed penalty.

- AFP/jc

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Re: Boeing 787 Dreamliner - Problem Not Over?

Postby tankee » Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:44 pm

JAL says Dreamliners hit by more problems


TOKYO: A fresh series of troubles has hit Japan Airlines 787 Dreamliners, with two Tokyo-bound flights forced to turn around and another plane experiencing a minor glitch, the company said Friday.

The problems came just days after the plane-maker's rival Airbus swooped on long-term customer Japan Airlines (JAL), bagging its first order from the carrier in a $9.5 billion deal that challenges Boeing's dominance in the Japanese market.

In the first incident on Thursday, a Tokyo-bound Dreamliner was forced to turn back two hours after leaving Moscow when toilets on the plane refused to flush, JAL said.

There was also a problem with the device that heats meals, according to the company.

The glitches were believed to be due to an electrical fault but had nothing to do with the plane's batteries, JAL said.

The airline later dispatched a replacement Dreamliner to Moscow to pick up the stranded passengers, but that aircraft developed a problem with its anti-skid system, a JAL spokesman said Friday.

The plane was able to fly safely as the system, which works like an anti-lock braking system for vehicles, is not essential to operation.

However, the plane returned to Narita Airport, outside Tokyo, because the original aircraft in Moscow was repaired and its replacement became unnecessary, the spokesman said.

Meanwhile, another of JAL's Dreamliners on its way to Narita had to abort its flight and head back to San Diego after a problem developed with the anti-icing system on its right engine, according to the company.

The 135 passengers and crew were back in the air after a five-hour delay in which engineers replaced the faulty part.

Boeing's 787 lightweight plane -- hailed for its fuel efficiency but marred by years of production delays -- was grounded globally in January after lithium-ion batteries overheated on two different planes, with one of them catching fire while parked.

JAL and its Japanese rival All Nippon Airways, the single biggest operators of the Dreamliner, have put their fleets back into service, but have encountered a number of minor glitches.

- AFP/xq

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