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装满书房

Postby KSP » Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:29 pm

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English version.

Once upon a time, a teacher gave his students some money and told them to buy something that will fill up the study. The next day, some students brought cotton. Others brought mats. Yet others brought straw.

A student named Han Yu brought some candles. Han Yu lit the candles. The study was immediately filled with light from the candles. The teacher was delighted, and said that Han Yu bought the right things.

Q: The teacher said that Han Yu bought the right things because
(1) Candles were the cheapest.
(2) Candles were the easiest to buy.
(3) Candlelight lit the room.
(4) The study could be filled with candles.

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Re: 装满书房

Postby limlim » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:51 pm

There's a slightly different English version.

Up to you to judge which is the more accurate translation that reflect the story.






In the past, there was a teacher. He gave every student some money, to see who can buy the item that can fill up the study.

The 2nd day, the student bring all the things that they bought. Some bought cotton, some bought mats, and some bought straws.

A student by the name of hanyu, light up the candle that he bought, and the candle light immediately light up the whole study. The teacher laughed happily and said that hanyu bought the right thing.

The teacher said that hanyu bought the correct thing, because

1. Candle is the cheapest
2. Candle is the easiest to be bought
3. Candlelight make the room bright.
4. Candle can fill up the study.
Last edited by limlim on Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:05 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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Re: 装满书房

Postby pirate » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:56 pm

Wah liao eh! Use Singlish also can. Like that any answer also can liao.

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Re: 装满书房

Postby limlim » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:02 pm

Pardon me add a little more to the content above.

The room light up by the candle light - Fact. (mentioned in passage)

(3) the candle light makes the room bright - Fact. (Answer choice)

Question, the teacher say hanyu bought the correct thing bcoz of the "fact" (mentioned in passage), or bcoz of the thing hanyu bought can "fill" up the study?

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Re: 装满书房

Postby insider » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:28 pm

my P4 son came to me to ask me what's the meaning of 幽默 last night and said, 'Does it mean funny?"

I ermmm for a while and I said it means 'humourous'.

So he nodded his head.

Then I asked him, 'So what's the meaning of humourous?"

He replied, 'Funny'.

I went into my ermmmm mode again for a few seconds.

Then I told him a short story:

徐文长去一名肥胖富人家喝喜酒。富人瞧不起他。

徐文长肚子很饿。

当他看到侍从端上一盘肉上来时,他兴高采列的大声说‘肉来了!肉来了!!“

富人听见了就不高兴走去大声地向徐文长说,”你怎么那么不雅?应该说‘菜来了’”。

徐文长被辱,心中不服。

他注意着富人的举动,看到富人因吃得太饱,把腹中的肉给挤出衣外。

徐文长就马上大声喊,“哎哟!你们看!你们看!主人的菜跑出来了!”

My son giggled after listening to the short story.

So I told him, next time when I tell him "爸爸的菜跑出来了!", he will know what I am talking and the rest may not catch it. So the 'funny' is a more 'hidden' one and not 'obvious' and therefore the term has the ‘默’ in it.

Teaching a term sometimes it's not that easy if the child has not experienced enough context to fully understand it. If you child were to ask you the same question of what is 幽默, how would you explain? Most of the time, I tell stories...

PS:
I read the above story when I was about 9 years old and so the real content may differ from the actual one.

PS2:
Wanna share this but don't want to start a new thread and so riding on this thread since this thread is also trying to 鸡蛋里面挑骨头 (as in trying to be 100% exact in every word).

PS3:
BTW, my answer to the question of this thread is '4'.

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Re: 装满书房

Postby limlim » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:58 pm

I copy and paste this here since it is relevant.


Let us ask a few simple questions

1. What was the challenge? Buy something that can fill the room.
2. What did hanyu bought? Candle
3. What did the teacher say? Hanyu bought the correct thing.
4. What this implies? candle can fill the room indeed, depending on how you use it. hereby, winning the challenge.

Now, let's look at how we can look at this question.

"The candle light makes the room bright", the teacher happily said hanyu bought the correct thing.

A student who do not understand the passage fully, would just lift off the sentence in the passage and said that "because it makes the room bright", which is a factual observation.

But the underlying reason why the teacher said hanyu got the correct answer, is bcoz, the item he bought, when used correctly, can address the challenge and fill the room.

Now, considering the above, (3) seems to be correct. But bcoz it failed to bring out the underlying message, it cannot adequately address the question "why did the teacher say hanyu bought the correct item"?

It is bcoz of this, that makes it reasonable for the student to re-evaluate (4) as an option, and interpret it in the context of the passage, that candle can fill the room indeed, when use appropriately as mentioned in the passage.


Let me give another scenario. if hanyu had bought incense instead, the teacher would have said he is correct too. Now, incense doesn't make the room bright, but it is able to fill the room with smell. hence, he would win the challenge too. so the important thing is not to "make the room bright", but to be able to fill it, hereby winning the challenge.

Say, the choices are
(3) The incense makes the room smelly
(4) The incense is able to fill the room

What would be your choice?

Fact is, the teacher say hanyu got it right bcoz the the candle is able to fill the room with light, not bcoz the light made the room bright. Althou, making the room bright is a consequence of the light filling the room.

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Re: 装满书房

Postby lydia_chin » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:38 pm

4) The study could be filled with candles.....how to fill the room with candles?

My answer would be 蜡烛的光能把书房装满。what do you think? :smile:

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Re: 装满书房

Postby anxious.dad » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:45 pm

既然, 题目的原文是中文, 我还是用中文来解释会比较恰当. 我选择3.
3. 烛光使房间明亮
4. 蜡烛能把书房装满
文中提及同学所买的几种物品, 包括棉花, 席子, 稻草和蜡烛. 如果说答案4是对的, 那其他物品也应该是正确的, 虽然说老师所给的一些钱未必能买足够的物品来装满书房. 如果说是因为韩愈正确使用蜡烛(点燃)使得烛光照亮整间书房, 那其他同学也可焚烧棉花, 席子或稻草等物品, 让浓烟充满书房也无不可. 况且没有火种, 蜡烛也无法点亮, 不会有烛光. 以文中的例子, 相信是要教我们做事情需要动脑筋, 要有创新思维.在文中, 蜡烛本身绝对没把书房装满. 也许KSP该公布答案.

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Re: 装满书房

Postby yshuang » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:40 pm

lydia_chin wrote:4) The study could be filled with candles.....how to fill the room with candles?

My answer would be 蜡烛的光能把书房装满。what do you think? :smile:



非常同意你的观点, 题目的答案本身有问题, 不严谨, 相信出题的本意是要将答案4作为正确答案的, 可惜出题不够严谨 。

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Re: 装满书房

Postby KSP » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:26 pm

anxious.dad wrote:既然, 题目的原文是中文, 我还是用中文来解释会比较恰当. 我选择3.
3. 烛光使房间明亮
4. 蜡烛能把书房装满
文中提及同学所买的几种物品, 包括棉花, 席子, 稻草和蜡烛. 如果说答案4是对的, 那其他物品也应该是正确的, 虽然说老师所给的一些钱未必能买足够的物品来装满书房. 如果说是因为韩愈正确使用蜡烛(点燃)使得烛光照亮整间书房, 那其他同学也可焚烧棉花, 席子或稻草等物品, 让浓烟充满书房也无不可. 况且没有火种, 蜡烛也无法点亮, 不会有烛光. 以文中的例子, 相信是要教我们做事情需要动脑筋, 要有创新思维.在文中, 蜡烛本身绝对没把书房装满. 也许KSP该公布答案.


i don't have the ans..... this question was posted and discussed, we just want to see what the majority think the ans is.......

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