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Hong Kong is not as safe as S'pore. S'poreans be careful.

Postby mistral77 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:09 pm

S'porean woman critically injured in bus accident in HK
04/04/2014 15:00 | By xinmsn

Yeong Kai Ting is in critical condition after she was hit by a tour bus when she was on holiday in Hong Kong
SINGAPORE : A Singaporean woman is in critical condition after she was hit by a tour bus when she was on holiday in Hong Kong.
Twenty-five-year-old Yeong Kai Ting was rushing to Kowloon Bay to catch the Symphony of Lights show at about 8pm on Wednesday when she met with the accident.
According to media reports, Yeong, who was walking ahead of her two friends, had kept her eyes on the display in the sky and did not notice the tour bus turning into the dark Salisbury Road.
One of Yeong’s friends tried to warn her but it was too late.
Unaware that he had hit someone, the bus driver, known only by his surname, Ho, continued driving forward and crushed Yeong’s lower body. It was only when passers-by signalled for him to stop that he realised he had hit someone.
Yeong, an assistant sales manager at a local media company, was trapped under the bus and had to be rescued by firemen. According to one of her friends, the flesh on her leg was “broken and torn”.
Yeong’s father and brother are by her side at Queen Elizabeth Hospital where she underwent a 17-hour operation.
While the full extent of her injuries are not known, doctors said she has a pelvic fracture and serious leg injury. Her condition is stable but she is still in critical condition.

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Re: Hong Kong is not as safe as S'pore. S'poreans be careful

Postby mistral77 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:09 pm

S'pore heroine of HK hostel fire in critical condition

Dancer overwhelmed by smoke as she went knocking on doors to alert others to blaze

Published on Jan 12, 2014

On the cool wintry morning of Dec 29, dancer Tiara Zhang Zhi Zhen woke up to the crackle and heat of flames engulfing the Hong Kong guesthouse she was staying at for a Christmas holiday.
Instead of dashing to safety right away, the 33-year-old Singaporean rushed to the rooms of other guests, hammering on doors and helping people to flee the smoke-filled firetrap.
That heroism may now cost her her life.
Ms Zhang, who has represented Singapore in competitive ballroom dancing, is in a coma and her condition is precarious, a source told The Sunday Times.
Her family, keeping vigil at Ruttonjee Hospital in Wan Chai, declined to be interviewed, but her brother, an engineer, sent a message through the Singapore consulate saying: "We are grateful for all the concern and well wishes of everyone. My sister is still in critical condition and our current focus is to continue to pray for her speedy recovery."
Ms Zhang works as an account director at events marketing agency George P. Johnson. Her father is retired and her mother is a housewife.
"She was actually the first to wake up from the fire," said the source. "But she was a heroine. Instead of escaping herself, she went round to wake up the other guests and helped them escape."
In the process, Ms Zhang inhaled too much smoke. The oxygen flow to her brain was cut off, her heart stopped, and she was unconscious by the time she was taken to hospital.
Altogether, 25 people were injured in the fire, seven critically. Ms Zhang is the only one still in a coma.
Five other Singaporeans who were taken to hospital, including three friends travelling with her, have been discharged and have returned home.
The fire started at 7.23am that day, when construction debris in the back alley of Continental Mansion, a 24-storey residential building in North Point, caught fire.
The fire quickly climbed up the bamboo scaffolding and mesh cover of the building, which was undergoing maintenance work.
The Yesinn guesthouse, where Ms Zhang and her friends stayed, had units on the third, fifth, 10th and 15th floors.
The incident has cast a spotlight on Hong Kong's regulation of such guesthouses, popular with budget travellers. Many are located within residential buildings which critics say may not have the infrastructure - such as adequate escape exits - to cope with large numbers.
Ms Zhang's friends are hoping for the recovery of the woman they invariably described as kind, caring and positive.
A good friend, Ms Christine Chong, who works in the travel industry, said: "Initially I could not believe it." She later received updates from Ms Zhang's family confirming what happened.
Mr Kelvin Toh, Ms Zhang's dance partner with whom she represented Singapore in competitions such as the 2010 World DanceSport Federation Asia-Pacific Championships in South Korea and the Asian Indoor Games Vietnam 2009, said he was not surprised by what she did that day.
"She will not leave anyone behind and will always give others a helping hand," said the 31-year-old dance coach who has known Ms Zhang since 2004.
He recalled a time when he was preparing secondary school students for a concert and asked her to help with their make-up. "She actually took leave to help me do the make-up for 20 girls," he said.
Her generosity and selflessness make her stand out among other dancers, said Ms Namiko Takahashi Chan-Lee, 40, a hula dance teacher, who met Ms Zhang at a flamenco dance class.
"Some dancers are obsessed with themselves, but she is always very caring, looking out for others if you need help," she said. "Whenever I was falling behind in rehearsals, she would help out."
Mr Toh described Ms Zhang as a "very elegant dancer". She also appears to be an avid photographer with photo albums put up on image-sharing website Shutterfly - including one of an earlier, happier trip to Hong Kong in 2008.
On her website, she included a quote from United States President Barack Obama: "Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek."
Said Mr Toh: "She is one of the most kind-hearted persons I have ever met and I hope that hao ren you hao bao - the good will get their reward - and that she recovers."

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Re: Hong Kong is not as safe as S'pore. S'poreans be careful

Postby mistral77 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:10 pm

Spotlight on safety of guesthouses

Published on Jan 12, 2014
The stairwell in Continental Mansion, a residential building in Hong Kong's North Point, looks diseased. It is utterly blackened, as if tarred with black paint. There are white spots where bits of plaster have popped off from exposure to searing heat. Electrical wires, their ends burnt, dangle precariously.
About 70 people rushed down this narrow shaft in a panic two weeks ago, when a fire started in the morning and engulfed the building. Others clambered out of windows, using scaffolding for support.
It took two hours to contain the fire. By then, 25 people had been injured.
Many were budget tourists staying at Yesinn, a guesthouse with units on the third, fifth, 10th and 15th floors. Among them was Singaporean Tiara Zhang Zhi Zhen, 33, who is still in a coma in hospital.
The incident has raised questions about Hong Kong's regulation of guesthouses, and there are calls for rules to be tightened and the number of licences restricted.
In this expensive city, such lodgings are cheap, cramped - and popular. They charge budget travellers HK$160 to HK$500 (S$26 to S$82) a night, a bargain at about a third or less the rates of three-star hotels in similar locations.
Aside from 1,194 licensed guesthouses, Hong Kong has seen a spike in unlicensed guesthouses in recent years. The government is contemplating increasing penalties for those caught.
The Yesinn guesthouse was given a licence by the Home Affairs Bureau, which would have required it to adhere to safety regulations such as installing a fire alarm and a sprinkler system.
The Sunday Times visited six guesthouses in different locations including Causeway Bay and Tsim Sha Tsui, and found that all have such measures in place.
But critics point to loopholes that compromise safety.
The key issue is that the majority of guesthouses are located within residential or mixed-use buildings - with shops on the ground floor and homes above.
Operators rent a flat, sub-divide it into small rooms that can each be as tiny as the size of a single bed or more generous at about 80 sq ft - and accommodate between one and four people.
This, in turn, translates into heavy human traffic in buildings that may not be able to cope.
On a normal day, residents compete with tourists and their luggage for space in the lifts. When an emergency occurs, like that day of the fire, the stakes are higher.
"The building is crowded because of so many tourists," Ms Chiu Kim Sum, who chairs Continental Mansion's owners' committee, told local media after the fire.
In Causeway Bay, guesthouses such as Jetvan Traveller's House and Backpackers Hostel are decorated cheerfully. But they share one box-sized lift with four or five other units on the same floor. Corridors are narrow and stairwells, cramped.
On the seventh floor of the infamous Chungking Mansions, a warren of rooms, the Pay-Less Guesthouse, nestles within a larger labyrinth of five or six other guesthouses like a complicated jigsaw puzzle. Again, there is just one lift, and one stairwell.
Mr Michael Li Hon Shing, executive director of the Federation of Hong Kong Hotel Owners, noted: "Commercial buildings and residential buildings have different designs. For example, there are more exits in commercial buildings, which is very important for evacuating people during a fire."
Besides the high human density, another risk is that the stipulation for a sprinkler system pertains only to guesthouses or hotels larger than 230 sq m. So operators which choose smaller residential units are exempted from this rule.
This poses a fire hazard, said legislator Ann Chiang during a Legislative Council meeting last Friday to discuss the topic. "Budget travellers may boil water or cook in the room," she said.
What is puzzling is the way guesthouses are licensed.
The government gives a licence when the premises meet "building structure and fire safety standards". But it does not take into account the Deed of Mutual Covenant (DMC) negotiated between the building's owners, property manager and developer - which may prohibit commercial activities either entirely or above a certain floor.
This means that while individual guesthouses might be safe - at least on paper - attention may not be paid to the overall profile of a building's tenants.
At Continental Mansion, for instance, the DMC does not allow guesthouses on the third floor, according to Ms Chiu, who said her committee had repeatedly complained to the authorities to stop issuing licences.
But during the LegCo meeting, Home Affairs permanent secretary Raymond Young maintained that under the terms of the Hotel and Guesthouse Accommodation Ordinance, "the DMC is a private contract and we can't enforce it. The government has no obligation to comply with the DMC".
That drew the ire of legislators like Mr Raymond Chan, who called for the law to be changed. "You cannot have a time bomb continuing like this, and you shouldn't be drawing a line and saying you stand behind it," he said.
Mr Young said the government will keep "an open mind" on reviewing the law, while noting that changes will have wide ramifications and may also affect other commercial activities such as restaurants.
Indeed, the issue goes beyond guesthouses. Private kitchens operate within residential buildings, as do elder-care homes - a legacy of Hong Kong's land shortage and laissez faire zoning policy.
These have contributed to a certain vibrancy and quirky diversity in the city's urban topography.
Urban planning expert Cecilia Chu from Hong Kong University said: "We have a history of buildings with mixed uses. These are part of Hong Kong's heritage. And it's unfair to root all of them out."
Also, she noted, guesthouses fulfil a need for cheap lodgings - a point echoed by travellers interviewed by The Sunday Times. British teacher Carolyn Bell, 53, who is staying at a Yesinn branch in another block of Continental Mansion, said: "The place is spotless and comfortable. And it's economical."
One possible compromise, said Dr Chu, is to restrict such activities to the lower levels of buildings, so that heavy-duty traffic is confined.
And Mr Li said action must be taken quickly, in the wake of the Continental Mansion fire. "Accidents like this affect the tourism industry and the image of the city as well. It is a stain on Hong Kong's reputation."

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Re: Hong Kong is not as safe as S'pore. S'poreans be careful

Postby mistral77 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:10 pm

I always tell my friends not to be stingy for accomodation when travel to HK. They don't understand how dangerous it can be. It is not like Singapore where things are regulated.
If one can't afford the accomodation, then don't go. Why risk your life?

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Re: Hong Kong is not as safe as S'pore. S'poreans be careful

Postby tutormum » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:35 pm

mistral77 wrote:S'porean woman critically injured in bus accident in HK
04/04/2014 15:00 | By xinmsn

Yeong Kai Ting is in critical condition after she was hit by a tour bus when she was on holiday in Hong Kong
SINGAPORE : A Singaporean woman is in critical condition after she was hit by a tour bus when she was on holiday in Hong Kong.
Twenty-five-year-old Yeong Kai Ting was rushing to Kowloon Bay to catch the Symphony of Lights show at about 8pm on Wednesday when she met with the accident.
According to media reports, Yeong, who was walking ahead of her two friends, had kept her eyes on the display in the sky and did not notice the tour bus turning into the dark Salisbury Road.
One of Yeong’s friends tried to warn her but it was too late.
Unaware that he had hit someone, the bus driver, known only by his surname, Ho, continued driving forward and crushed Yeong’s lower body. It was only when passers-by signalled for him to stop that he realised he had hit someone.
Yeong, an assistant sales manager at a local media company, was trapped under the bus and had to be rescued by firemen. According to one of her friends, the flesh on her leg was “broken and torn”.
Yeong’s father and brother are by her side at Queen Elizabeth Hospital where she underwent a 17-hour operation.
While the full extent of her injuries are not known, doctors said she has a pelvic fracture and serious leg injury. Her condition is stable but she is still in critical condition.

Blame her own carelessness for stepping out onto the road without checking the traffic. Sorry for sounding mean, whether in home country or overseas, one has to be careful. In fact, one has to be extra careful overseas cos we are not familiar with the roads and habits of other road users.
Pray that she pull through and learn her lesson.

Remember the NUS student who fell off the cliff during his camp in Malaysia? I bet he was taken in by the magnificent view that he didn't realise he was too near the edge and slipped cos of the wet ground. I witnessed how almost everyone climbed over the fenced wire just a metre near the edge of the cliffs on one of the mountains in Thailand. Everyone throw caution to the wind just to take pictures as close to the edge to get the 'best' view. I was one of the guilty actually and was :nailbite: :nailbite: and realised later how foolish to do that. There was a false sense of security then but it wasn't worth risking my life at all. :nosebleed:

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Re: Hong Kong is not as safe as S'pore. S'poreans be careful

Postby pirate » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:36 pm

I was wondering what getting hit by a bus as a result of not looking has to do with whether HK is as safe as Singapore. :?

We also had a hotel fire not so long ago (East Village Hotel fire in July 2012), you know? 11 people were injured. Those of us with longer memories will also remember a whole hotel collapsed in Singapore in 1986 (Hotel New World).

Accidents happen. I don't see why this has to be turned into a HK vs Singapore thing.

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Re: Hong Kong is not as safe as S'pore. S'poreans be careful

Postby GiftedGem » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:23 pm

pirate wrote:I was wondering what getting hit by a bus as a result of not looking has to do with whether HK is as safe as Singapore. :?

We also had a hotel fire not so long ago (East Village Hotel fire in July 2012), you know? 11 people were injured. Those of us with longer memories will also remember a whole hotel collapsed in Singapore in 1986 (Hotel New World).

Accidents happen. I don't see why this has to be turned into a HK vs Singapore thing.


Share the same sentiments. Been to HK for business trips several times without any colleagues and I feel safe and secured. :smile:

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Re: Hong Kong is not as safe as S'pore. S'poreans be careful

Postby mistral77 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:38 am

pirate wrote:I was wondering what getting hit by a bus as a result of not looking has to do with whether HK is as safe as Singapore. :?

We also had a hotel fire not so long ago (East Village Hotel fire in July 2012), you know? 11 people were injured. Those of us with longer memories will also remember a whole hotel collapsed in Singapore in 1986 (Hotel New World).

Accidents happen. I don't see why this has to be turned into a HK vs Singapore thing.


Many of HK's guesthouses are unlicensed, does not have to conform to fire safety requirements.

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Re: Hong Kong is not as safe as S'pore. S'poreans be careful

Postby pirate » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:32 pm

mistral77 wrote:Many of HK's guesthouses are unlicensed, does not have to conform to fire safety requirements.

It would have been better to just warn readers about the dangers of staying in unlicensed guesthouses just to save a few bucks. This is not something unique to HK.

In fact, it applies in Singapore too. I am sure readers would have read of all those flats/rooms being illegally leased for short term rentals. These are all illegal as current URA regulations do not permit residential apartments being rented out for less than 6 months. Needless to say, it is unlikely that these conform to fire safety regulations.

The lesson is: one should use one's common sense while abroad. If a Singaporean does not do certain stupid things while in Singapore, what makes said Singaporean think that it is ok to do the same stupid things once they are outside Singapore?

Reminds me of all the Singaporean drivers complaining that Malaysian traffic police like to catch Singapore cars for speeding. If they drive at over 130km/h (I have seen too many Singapore cars zooming past at ridiculous speed), then of course the Malaysian traffic police will pull them over.

And if they like to do that in the middle of the night where there are no lights, then of course once in a while some of them will end up wrapped around a tree, upside down in a ditch or under the backside of a lorry.

Duh.

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Re: Hong Kong is not as safe as S'pore. S'poreans be careful

Postby janet88 » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:47 pm

Not every place in Singapore is safe.
When overseas, it is not possible to expect safety everywhere either.
Same stuff you apply here like avoid walking in quiet lanes, looking for pickpockets in crowded places...avoid staying in shabby places just to save few bucks because your safety will be jeopardized.

My friend in hongkong tells me have to hold children's hands tight when at crowded places.

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