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China-made MRT trains sent back for defects to be fixed

Postby atrecord » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:56 pm

This is so worrying...


http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/china-made-mrt-trains-sent-back-to-fix-defects?xtor=CS3-17


Christopher Tan
Senior Transport Correspondent

SINGAPORE - Several of Singapore's first China-made MRT trains are being shipped back to their manufacturer for structural defects.

The trains, said to number more than two dozen, are barely five years old. They were made by China Southern Railway (CSR) Qingdao Sifang Locomotive and Rolling Stock Company, which together with Japan's Kawasaki Heavy Industries, won the first contract to supply 22 six-car trains for the North-South and East-West lines in 2009.

The Straits Times understands the trains are still under warranty, and will be rectified by the manufacturer. Still, the episode could derail Singapore's plans to raise its rail service and reliability standards.

According to reports by online news portal FactWire, some of the trains had windows shattering repeatedly, and in 2011, one of the trains' Chinese-made uninterruptible power supply batteries exploded during repair.

FactWire said cracks were also found in structural components of trains, including the sub-floor - a compartment under the passenger floor holding the equipment box and electrical wires - and bolster function parts connecting the car body to the bogie, the latter having the most serious problems.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong's MTR Corp, which has also placed orders with CSR Sifang, told The Straits Times it has not taken delivery of any new trains from the Chinese manufacturer yet.

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Re: China-made MRT trains sent back for defects to be fixed

Postby jetsetter » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:02 pm

atrecord wrote:This is so worrying...


http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/china-made-mrt-trains-sent-back-to-fix-defects?xtor=CS3-17


Christopher Tan
Senior Transport Correspondent

SINGAPORE - Several of Singapore's first China-made MRT trains are being shipped back to their manufacturer for structural defects.

The trains, said to number more than two dozen, are barely five years old. They were made by China Southern Railway (CSR) Qingdao Sifang Locomotive and Rolling Stock Company, which together with Japan's Kawasaki Heavy Industries, won the first contract to supply 22 six-car trains for the North-South and East-West lines in 2009.

The Straits Times understands the trains are still under warranty, and will be rectified by the manufacturer. Still, the episode could derail Singapore's plans to raise its rail service and reliability standards.

According to reports by online news portal FactWire, some of the trains had windows shattering repeatedly, and in 2011, one of the trains' Chinese-made uninterruptible power supply batteries exploded during repair.

FactWire said cracks were also found in structural components of trains, including the sub-floor - a compartment under the passenger floor holding the equipment box and electrical wires - and bolster function parts connecting the car body to the bogie, the latter having the most serious problems.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong's MTR Corp, which has also placed orders with CSR Sifang, told The Straits Times it has not taken delivery of any new trains from the Chinese manufacturer yet.




I'm not too concerned that they sent those defective trains back to the manufacturer for repair/replacement, because products are still under warranty and some have not been shipped to Singapore yet.

I just don't understand why netizens are making hue and cry about the wee hour transportation of those defective products from Bishan Depot to Jurong Fishery Port, making it look like some clandestine operation that SMRT had premeditated in order to hide from the public. Heavy duty vehicles can only carry out such massive operation during certain times of the day, with police escort of course. So what's the big problem?

Shouldn't they blame the Chinese-Jap JV manufacturer for such shoddy products instead?


I think netizens should look at 2 other things:

1. Factwire is a HK-based media, obviously not one that has an MDA media licence (some like Reuters, Bloomberg, BBC do). Did they seek clearance from MCI to film and record news footages here for mass broadcast purpose? They need a media permit you know.

I mean, they need a special media visa as well as to declare their media (camera/drone) equipment at our CIQ, right?
http://www.mci.gov.sg/web/corp/press-room/press-service/guide-for-foreign-media/working-in-singapore/entry-requirements

2. Drone or unmanned aerial vehicles. FactWire flew their drone over our port/Jurong Fishery Port to film those trains being loaded onto containers. Ports should be a protected/secured area, like airports and military bases, no?

https://www.caas.gov.sg/caasWeb2010/export/sites/caas/en/PDF_Documents/Legislation2/UMAct2015.pdf

Had they violated our Unmanned Aircraft (Public Safety and Security) Act by flagrantly flying their drones over our sovereign soil, for the purpose of shaming and discrediting this Chinese manufacturer, from which HK MTR has also placed orders for some new trains? You know HK media like to shame anything Chinese.

How could a sub-par foreign media any-o-how fly their drones over our land? What if they flew it over Istana?

I hope MCI/MDA and CAAS will look into this matter.

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Re: China-made MRT trains sent back for defects to be fixed

Postby pirate » Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:16 pm

Straits Times has to get its story on which part of our MRT trains have broken down from some HK online news portal? Do they not have any journalist to do it themselves?
:?

http://www.todayonline.com/singapore/smrt-found-cracks-26-trains-delivered-chinese-manufacturer
The Land Transport Authority (LTA), in response to similar questions, said the defects “are not safety-critical and do not affect the train’s systems or performance”.

Late Tuesday night (July 5), the Transport ministry put out a post on Factually to dispel rumours swirling around the incident.

Noting that these were “superficial cracks”, a spokesperson also said LTA engaged an external third party to carry out an assessment in 2013 which confirmed that the trains are safe to operate. “As advised by the third party assessment, there has also been close monitoring of the crack propagation rate.”


So... Who you want to believe? :evil:

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Re: China-made MRT trains sent back for defects to be fixed

Postby jetsetter » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:04 am

The main plot thickens...fresh gossips leaked from various sources like HWZ, TiSG... :skeptical:

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Re: China-made MRT trains sent back for defects to be fixed

Postby atrecord » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:08 am

jetsetter wrote:The main plot thickens...fresh gossips leaked from various sources like HWZ, TiSG... :skeptical:


What's the latest huh?

For sure our authorities should look into the drones issue. We don't want drones carrying bomb to fly around us, do we? But that's actually a whole new area to look into...

On this, it's worrying because we actually bought and used so many faulty trains.

And why is it that this was not reported or made known here when it happened, and needed it to be reported in HK first, before the authorities came out to clarify? These are matters of public interest.

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Re: China-made MRT trains sent back for defects to be fixed

Postby starlight1968sg » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:18 am

My main concern is safety followed by price hike.

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Re: China-made MRT trains sent back for defects to be fixed

Postby janet88 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:23 am

atrecord wrote:
And why is it that this was not reported or made known here when it happened, and needed it to be reported in HK first, before the authorities came out to clarify? These are matters of public interest.

this is embarrassing...so authorities will try to hide as much as possible...and when people up there cannot hide any more, they have to release the info. I wonder how often will the China made trains be sent back to be fixed...time and money down the drain.

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Re: China-made MRT trains sent back for defects to be fixed

Postby floppy » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:48 am

jetsetter wrote:
I'm not too concerned that they sent those defective trains back to the manufacturer for repair/replacement, because products are still under warranty and some have not been shipped to Singapore yet.


I'm not so bothered that the trains are being transported at night. People probably think that overhead bridges (a common sight) appears magically in place by way of Harry Porter magic (ps the semi-completed product is also being transported at night). The drones are also a non-issue or unrelated to this case (the relevant authority can look into it but let's not obfuscate the main issue).

I am concerned, however, with two things:

- The trains are found with defects in such large quantity (26!). It's a QC issue. Yet, we are getting even more cozy with the suppliers by doing more business with them? That defies business logic.

- The case is being brought to light by a HK news agency several months after Singapore is aware of the issue. If the agency did not come out with the news, will the Singapore Government ever comment or issue its statement in the name of transparency? The trains didn't come free (tax payers paid for it) and the general public use it to commute everyday.

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Re: China-made MRT trains sent back for defects to be fixed

Postby janet88 » Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:07 pm

floppy wrote:I am concerned, however, with two things:

- The trains are found with defects in such large quantity (26!). It's a QC issue. Yet, we are getting even more cozy with the suppliers by doing more business with them? That defies business logic.

- The case is being brought to light by a HK news agency several months after Singapore is aware of the issue. If the agency did not come out with the news, will the Singapore Government ever comment or issue its statement in the name of transparency? The trains didn't come free (tax payers paid for it) and the general public use it to commute everyday.

the trains are not free...QC is definitely an issue, furthermore these trains are meant to be heavy duty and yet they have defects so soon. surely someone should be held responsible for this...how safe are these made in china trains after sending back for repairs?

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Re: China-made MRT trains sent back for defects to be fixed

Postby Nebbermind » Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:56 pm

floppy wrote:
jetsetter wrote:
I'm not too concerned that they sent those defective trains back to the manufacturer for repair/replacement, because products are still under warranty and some have not been shipped to Singapore yet.


I'm not so bothered that the trains are being transported at night. People probably think that overhead bridges (a common sight) appears magically in place by way of Harry Porter magic (ps the semi-completed product is also being transported at night). The drones are also a non-issue or unrelated to this case (the relevant authority can look into it but let's not obfuscate the main issue).

I am concerned, however, with two things:

- The trains are found with defects in such large quantity (26!). It's a QC issue. Yet, we are getting even more cozy with the suppliers by doing more business with them? That defies business logic.

- The case is being brought to light by a HK news agency several months after Singapore is aware of the issue. If the agency did not come out with the news, will the Singapore Government ever comment or issue its statement in the name of transparency? The trains didn't come free (tax payers paid for it) and the general public use it to commute everyday.


26 out of 35 is close to 75%! Can we ask for the warranty to restart from the date they return the repaired trains? :evil:

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