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Re: Guy who filmed NUS undergrad showering.....

Post by pirate » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:59 pm

Dreamaurora wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:02 pm
Let's remove NUS from the equation, what the guy did was a criminal offence, plain and simple.

It does not matter if he's an ace student or a lazy bum, he is an adult and should be tried as such. We have faith in the law because we expect the law to be consistent in meting out punishments to maintain order, otherwise the society would descend into chaos.

If he does the crime, then he should go to jail, and the prison will provide an avenue to rehabilitate him. NUS is not obligated to rehabilitate him, it is a place of tertiary education and last I check only adults who are capable of discerning rights and wrongs are allowed to study in tertiary institutions. I would concur that if this offence happened in secondary schools there should be a 2nd chance due to (perceived) immaturity of students at those age, but beyond that I don't think there should be any excuse.
Actually, it does matter whether he is an ace student or a lazy bum. Otherwise, we do not need judges, DPPs or defence lawyers. Just key into a computer and let it churn out a sentence.

Also, of course we can get rid of stern and conditional warnings, and make it a rule everyone above x age must be prosecuted for all crimes regardless of the facts of each case. Somehow, I don't think many people will like where it leads us.

And I disagree with expulsion from NUS. If you are saying NUS should expel him, then you are also saying that no other IHL should admit him. Why should it be ok for him to be in NTU, or SMU or the University of Timbuctoo if it is not ok for him to be in NUS? In other words, you are saying he should not be allowed to continue any higher education. Otherwise, it is just passing the buck from NUS to some other IHL.

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Re: Guy who filmed NUS undergrad showering.....

Post by pirate » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:14 pm

.zeit wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:12 pm
Did NUS give up on rehab for the guy? I didn't see anything online about NUS rehab and counselling for him after the internal trial was over.
NUS did not give up, but OYK essentially criticized NUS and said they should.

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Re: Guy who filmed NUS undergrad showering.....

Post by slmkhoo » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:39 pm

Dreamaurora wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:02 pm
Let's remove NUS from the equation, what the guy did was a criminal offence, plain and simple.

It does not matter if he's an ace student or a lazy bum, he is an adult and should be tried as such. We have faith in the law because we expect the law to be consistent in meting out punishments to maintain order, otherwise the society would descend into chaos.

If he does the crime, then he should go to jail, and the prison will provide an avenue to rehabilitate him. NUS is not obligated to rehabilitate him, it is a place of tertiary education and last I check only adults who are capable of discerning rights and wrongs are allowed to study in tertiary institutions. I would concur that if this offence happened in secondary schools there should be a 2nd chance due to (perceived) immaturity of students at those age, but beyond that I don't think there should be any excuse.
I agree, it's the police that I have issues with. I think NUS was fair enough - they suspended him, banned him from the hostel, made him him write an apology, made him do community service, made him go for counselling - all this will go on his university record. Prosecution is up to the police, not the university. I believe that once sentenced to prison, he may have to be expelled from university? But that is for the police to take action on first.

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Re: Guy who filmed NUS undergrad showering.....

Post by Dreamaurora » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:15 pm

We often read that judges exercised their discretion in awarding lower sentence than expected because of certain circumstances e.g. the convicted is the sole breadwinner. The law is fair in that sense, when someone did a serious crime, we expect the person to be at least convicted and serve a sentence, but there is still allowance for compassion.

We can argue that for crimes that are perceived as less serious because of their negligible impact on the victims or the underlying motivations e.g. shoplifting because no money to provide for children's education, perhaps an immediate jail term is overly harsh and rightly a probation and warning should be given first.

But in this case, the emotional trauma on the victim is very real and it warrants a strong action from the law. As for NUS, it is up to them on how to handle this case, but as I said earlier its main mission is to equip their students with academic and practical skills, not to character build them, that is why we don't have discipline masters already at that level. Personally, I think NUS' punishments are quite appropriate, though I would suspend and ban the guy at least until the victim graduated so they would have no chance of seeing each other.



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Re: Guy who filmed NUS undergrad showering.....

Post by lee_yl » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:08 pm

.zeit wrote:
Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:53 pm
Singapore's so hot and humid. How to build enclosed cubicles with full height walls/partitions? All that mildew and mustiness.

Besides, it's for safety reasons, i.e. in case someone suffers a stroke or heart attack in the bathroom...
Got mould then repaint walls on a regular basis lor. Which is more serious? Wall got mould or someone’s daughters get filmed in the shower?

Alternatively, can tap access cards or use face recognition technology etc., nowadays such devices not that expensive. NUS produces so many architects, design engineers etc, don’t think need us to come up with design solutions.

On and off there are reports of peeping toms, it’s time to step up the security.

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Re: Guy who filmed NUS undergrad showering.....

Post by .zeit » Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:56 pm

The EH bathroom doors already extend to the floor.
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Residents are issued access cards to their hall entrances, but not to the bathrooms.

I was also thinking of access cards or pin keypad outside the bathrooms/toilets as many public onsens and sentos in Japan require guests to tap their card keys to gain access to the private locker rooms and bath area. The system must also be able to recognise their gender (perhaps by way of their NRIC) so as not to admit the wrong user :-)

Face recognition - i don't know how troublesome it is for the admin, as some residents only stay for a semester. Sometimes they wear specs to the bathroom, sometimes they wear makeup to the toilet. jkjk...LOL...Finger print recogntion may be better.


I wonder how this guy managed to stay in EH beyond 11pm? Was the gf, the EH resident, penalised? Wasn't she supposed to accompany her guest at all times and escort him to the gate by 11pm?

https://uci.nus.edu.sg/ohs/wp-content/u ... JQ7m65.pdf

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Re: Guy who filmed NUS undergrad showering.....

Post by laughingcat » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:12 pm

After much contemplating over dinner. I still can't comprehend and stomach it.

The police must take a strong stance on this. He is not a juvenile. He has completed his NS. He is an adult. He is old enough to do vote in the election.

Being drunk is not an excuse. Saying sorry after what he has done does not amount to reduce sentence.

Worst......In fact he was jumping from toilet to toilet to look for victim and this action is premeditated. This is absurd.

I seriously don't care whatever YOLO attitude he has. Because his YOLO attitudes ruin a gals life, which was not her choice. His life is ruin as well but that was his choice. Don't expect public/company to forgive and forget.

The law need to be strict on Ist offender. Now almost anybody I spoken to say it is okay to be an Ist offender since the sentence is only a slap on the wrist. So are we going to see more and more ist offenders - be it old or young?

It is not about forgive and forget. This bloke does not need anyone to forgive and forget, except his parents and the victim. He is nothing to me. I am not against him. I just feel sad for his parents. For those who say "hang him lah", pls don't be drama and extreme. I just want a tougher law against this kind of sex crime. Enough on sex crime.

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Re: Guy who filmed NUS undergrad showering.....

Post by lee_yl » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:42 pm

Anyway, Minister OYK already clearly stated that NUS penalties for sexual misconduct case ‘manifestly inadequate’ and must review its discipline and sentencing framework. I also think NUS should review their “Two strikes and you are out” policy.

If it’s a foreign worker from a nearby construction site who sneak in to video, will SPF/AGC give chance or not?

Thinking aloud, if you are the victim, how would you feel if the perpetrator who was on suspension, went to join Great Eastern and started earning a good income, would you feel that justice has been served?
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Re: Guy who filmed NUS undergrad showering.....

Post by chenlaoshi » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:45 pm

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Came across this comment on FB and got reminded of Benjamin Lim's case (where 5 plainclothes officers went to the 14 year old's school to look for him before bring him back to police station). :(

"Our criminal justice system seeks to temper punishment and deterrence, with giving offenders a second chance to reform, based on assessment of the relevant factors."

Can't help but wonder if it's them 'learning' from past experiences or simply inconsistency involved.

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