School of Science and Technology

Having survived PSLE. we still need to network with other parents with kids in the same Secondary school. While giving our teenagers their own space, we can update each other about the school.
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Would your child be applying for SST?

Poll ended at Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:18 pm

Yes
5
29%
No, distance is too far
3
18%
No, no track record yet
9
53%
 
Total votes: 17

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Re: School of Science and Technology

Post by phtthp » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:08 pm

6thisnthat9 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:56 am
Hi mummykoh, whitefox and olivegal77,

My kids are in p5 now. We are considering sst.

Are teachers in sst very lax? Read somewhere that there are kids who didn't submit their homework for 2 months?
Are kids there overly dependent on tech hence most will get into online games or videos excessively?

Many schools these days expect independent learning from kids, so teachers and sch will not do anything even if kids become out of hand? How much communication are there between teachers, school and parents?

If a child is not a specialist in maths or science, but a more generalists, is sst suitable?
Are both your older and younger kids inclined in maths or science similarly?

What are the reasons for also choosing sst for your younger child now?

Are there higher proportion of foreign students in sst as compared to another O level school?
If you are targeting Triple Pure Sciences in Upper Sec 3 subject combination for your child (son / daughter), then SST is out, The closest, SST offered to Triple Sciences combination are

- Pure Physics

- Pure Chemistry (since chem is compulsory)

- Bio-technology
But Bio-tech differ from the Pure Biology O-level syllabus, a lot.
because
the Human Biology aspects (syllabus), are not found inside "Bio-technology" syllabus

assess for yourself, this query,
"How much, or to what extent (degree) is the overlap, between Bio-technology vs. Pure Bio syllabus ?"

- (NP04) code, Applied Science "Bio-technology"

https://www.seab.gov.sg/docs/default-so ... y21_sy.pdf

vs.

- (6093) code, Pure Biology

https://www.seab.gov.sg/docs/default-so ... y20_sy.pdf


Why cannot offer Triple Pure Science, in SST ?
because
Applied Science, is compulsory.

Total, four Applied Sciences are available, choose one or more.
All SST students, will enrol in Applied Science subject(s).


1) Bio technology

2) Design studies

3) Computing

4) Electronics


If a student is targeting Triple Pure Sciences in Upper Sec ( 3 and 4), advised that
go back to the traditional O-level schools. Otherwise, can consider SST


Inside SST,
there are more boys than girls, hence, Pure Physics is popular

===================================

What happen,
say, at the end of Sec 2 streaming, your child (student) decided to take Pure Biology, instead of Pure Physics ?

Then, Sec 3 subject combination become

1) Pure Biology

2) Pure Chemistry (since chem is compulsory)

3) your 3rd subject, cannot be Pure Physics anymore.

because

SST forbid Triple Sciences.
also, cannot be Bio-technology, because already chosen Pure Biology
means, 3rd subject can be

Electronics, or Computing or Design Studies

next,
can visit SEAB website, compare & contrast in detail, what's the difference

between

(Electronics vs. Pure Physics ) O-level syllabus ?

assess for yourself,
"How much, or to what extent (degree) is the overlap, between Electronics vs. Pure Physics syllabus ?"

- (6063) code, "Electronics"

https://www.seab.gov.sg/docs/default-so ... y20_sy.pdf


- (6091) code, Pure Physics

https://www.seab.gov.sg/docs/default-so ... y20_sy.pdf



================================

What are rest (balance) of the subjects, that form your maximum 8 subject combination, allowed ?

will be
(languages English, Standard Chinese or Malay or Tamil, and Combined Elective Humanities + Social studies)
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Re: School of Science and Technology

Post by zac's mum » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:17 pm

Actually I really don’t understand why Triple Pure Sciences is still so popular among parents. It is no longer a required subject combi for entry into Medicine.

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Re: School of Science and Technology

Post by zac's mum » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:23 pm

In case anyone is interested...SST’s Astronomy Club CCA was featured in last week’s Lion Mums Crash Landing in Schools episode:

https://www.mewatch.sg/series/lion-mums ... obileshare

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Re: School of Science and Technology

Post by phtthp » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:36 pm

zac's mum wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:17 pm
Actually I really don’t understand why Triple Pure Sciences is still so popular among parents. It is no longer a required subject combi for entry into Medicine.
because

there could be other underlying reasons why people choose to do Triple Science, which are ... NOT linked to Medicine, in fact nothing to do with Medicine
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Re: School of Science and Technology

Post by nms1 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:38 pm

phtthp wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:36 pm
zac's mum wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:17 pm
Actually I really don’t understand why Triple Pure Sciences is still so popular among parents. It is no longer a required subject combi for entry into Medicine.
because

there could be other reasons why people choose to do Triple Science, which are ... NOT linked to Medicine
Part of it is prestige - the outdated perception that students who take pure science are somehow better.


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Re: School of Science and Technology

Post by phtthp » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:44 pm

nms1 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:38 pm
phtthp wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:36 pm
zac's mum wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:17 pm
Actually I really don’t understand why Triple Pure Sciences is still so popular among parents. It is no longer a required subject combi for entry into Medicine.
because

there could be other reasons why people choose to do Triple Science, which are ... NOT linked to Medicine
Part of it is prestige - the outdated perception that students who take pure science are somehow better.
your guess (prestige), is incorrect
No, nothing to do with prestige neither

because

1)

prestige (status) is transient & illusion
life is short and temporal on earth
eg.
Can we bring "prestige" along with us into the coffin, after death ?
No
naked come (that's how we are born), naked go
how did we come into this world ?
our mother gave birth to us, then the hospital nurse turned us (baby then) upside down, slapped our backside and we gave our first cry, because need to clear the air passage way (lungs), so that we can start breathing on our own

when we die,
can we put a few slabs of gold bar into our coffin, cremate together with us so that we got $ to spend, in our next world ? of course not

especially. in this period of covid-19, we do not know what will happen to us tomorrow.
Anyone can catch virus from "asymtomatic" infected people, in public places

for those who have attended relatives' funeral, what do you observe people throwing into the coffin ? maybe they threw a stalk of rose, as a token of love (memory), for the one that's dead ?
can "prestige" (status) or $ accompany the dead person, into the next world ? never

And

2)
even if take Triple Pure Sciences at O-level, eventually still compulsory to drop either (Pure Bio or Pure Physics) at A-level when enter Junior College Year 1, so definitely nothing to do with ... prestige (status) whatsoever. This fact, about dropping either (pure bio / physics) when come JC, a lot of parents (students) already aware
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Re: School of Science and Technology

Post by nms1 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:09 pm

phtthp wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:44 pm
nms1 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:38 pm
phtthp wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:36 pm

because

there could be other reasons why people choose to do Triple Science, which are ... NOT linked to Medicine
Part of it is prestige - the outdated perception that students who take pure science are somehow better.
your guess (prestige), is incorrect
No, nothing to do with prestige neither

because

1)

prestige (status) is transient & illusion
life is short and temporal on earth
eg.
Can we bring "prestige" along with us into the coffin, after death ?
No
naked come (that's how we are born), naked go

especially. in this period of covid-19, we do not know what will happen to us tomorrow.
Anyone can catch virus from "asymtopmatic" infected people, in public places

for those who have attended relatives' funeral, what do you observe people throwing into the coffin ? maybe they threw a stalk of rose, as a token of love (memory), for the one that's dead ?
can "prestige" (status) accompany the dead person, into the next world ? never

And

2)
even if take Triple Pure Sciences at O-level, eventually still compulsory to drop either (Pure Bio or Pure Physics) at A-level when enter Junior College Year 1, so definitely nothing to do with ... prestige (status) whatsoever. This fact, about dropping either (pure bio / physics) when come JC, a lot of parents (students) already aware
I agree that prestige doesn't make sense but there are still parents who see that taking triple science plus A maths at O level is somehow better. Believe me, I've met some of them :-) And the reality is that many schools still require higher overall grades at the end of Sec 2 in order to qualify for pure science.

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Re: School of Science and Technology

Post by WhiteFox » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:17 pm

FYI:
There’s new applied subject in SST- Engineering+ which allow students to study two applied subject, Electronics and Computing+

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Re: School of Science and Technology

Post by phtthp » Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:45 pm

nms1 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:09 pm

I agree that prestige doesn't make sense but there are still parents who see that taking triple science plus A maths at O level is somehow better. Believe me, I've met some of them :-) And the reality is that many schools still require higher overall grades at the end of Sec 2 in order to qualify for pure science.
i am glad u have understood that "prestige" (status), is not the answer behind.
"Prestige" is so illusive, transient
What is our average life span, on earth ?
for men, maybe aound 70+ ?
for women, maybe longer, around 80+ years old ?
What's the use of this "prestige" ?

also, hope not narrow minded.

In this forum, in several other thread, whenever people mentioned the word "Triple Sciences", straight-away, they immedicately jump to conclusion quickly, assumed that "oh ya, want to study medicine hor, that's why choose Triple Sciences right ?".

Their mind is so fixated on one thing only, "Medicine". One way direction only, It never occured to them, that there could be other reasons too, nothing to do with "Medicine". After that, they think that this person is ignorant, not aware that entry into local university medicine doesn't even require Triple Science, just need Double Science will do ... so they try to tell u about it. But really, in this internet fast age, where info is instantaneously retrieved, at the press of a keyboard click or button or google, a lot of parents (students) already know
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Re: School of Science and Technology

Post by nms1 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:03 pm

phtthp wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:45 pm
nms1 wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:09 pm

I agree that prestige doesn't make sense but there are still parents who see that taking triple science plus A maths at O level is somehow better. Believe me, I've met some of them :-) And the reality is that many schools still require higher overall grades at the end of Sec 2 in order to qualify for pure science.
i am glad u have understood that "prestige" (status), is not the answer behind.
"Prestige" is so illusive, transient
What is our average life span, on earth ?
for men, maybe aound 70+ ?
for women, maybe longer, around 80+ years old ?
What's the use of this "prestige" ?

also, hope not narrow minded.

In this forum, in several other thread, whenever people mentioned the word "Triple Sciences", straight-away, they immedicately jump to conclusion quickly, assumed that "oh ya, want to study medicine hor, that's why choose Triple Sciences ?". After that, they think that this person is ignorant, not aware that entry into local university medicine doesn't even require Triple Science, just need Double Science will do ... so they try to tell u about it. But really, in this internet fast age, where info is instantaneously retrieved, at the press of a keyboard click or button or google, a lot of parents (students) already know
I'm not looking to get into an argument here as this is a bit off-topic but maybe it is a case of "perceived prestige". I think it's all bull**** as students should study what they are interested in and good at; if that is art, one combined science and double humanities (like my daughter) then that is just as good as someone studying triple science in my mind. Unfortunately, not everyone sees it that way. And the high performers are usually pushed into triple science. My daughter has a friend who is pretty good at science but doesn't like it; her parents still made her select it for O level as she qualified and they felt she should do it.

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