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I am neutral to nyjc and tjc but just want to gather more info.

You mentioned earlier that nyjc principal did not reveal the names of other jcs when he showed the flow chart of jc ranking on the value-added issue. How do you conclude that tjc did not meet moe's expectation and thus was not awarded value-added in 2014? Do you know which jc is ranked 2nd, 3rd, so on and so forth?

Wish to add on:
It was parents' request to get the P to reveal some info about NYJC Year 2014 results as its web site has no information.
P didn't purposely show the parents.

Chip n Dale wrote:
Hi ParkYuni,
Feel free to post your queries about your dd's radar JCs...
Oh I wish to add on:
It was parents' request to ask the Principal to reveal some info about NYJC's year 2014 A level results. That's why the flow chart was shown to parents. Not purposely by the Principal.

Thanks Chip n Dale. I will do so in the respective jc thread. Hope you will be there to help answer my queries in the near future as I noticed that the it is very 'quiet'. An ex-student confirmed that nyjc has a 'chinese-y' culture. That will put my dd off if it's true.

Regarding the flow chart...the principal was asked about 2014 results pertaining to his jc but not a comparison between jcs so he shouldn't have whacked his competitors by first preparing it on hand, jmho.

ParkYuni wrote: Regarding the flow chart...the principal was asked about 2014 results pertaining to his jc but not a comparison between jcs so he shouldn't have whacked his competitors by first preparing it on hand, jmho.

I share your sentiment. A good leader shows what he is capable of achieving while an insecure leader shows what others are not capable of. A show of his jc results against the national average will suffice unless he has an ulterior motive.

So is TJC undervalued and NYJC overvalued?

I went to do some history digging in MOE website and hereby cite the value-added data since 2000.

Year 2001


Year 2002


Year 2003


Year 2004


Year 2005


Year 2006


Year 2007


Year 2008


Year 2009


Year 2010


Year 2011


Year 2012 onwards
School Awards scrapped.
And the speculation starts.
You can see TJC's fall from grace started in 2007.
Those who are still speculating here why TJC isn't up there with the rest belonged to the 2000-2006 era.

What is school award? Minus 2 points?
How do you do attachment and post ar?

secschbioteacher wrote:
Year 2012 onwards
School Awards scrapped.
And the speculation starts.
You can see TJC's fall from grace started in 2007.
Those who are still speculating here why TJC isn't up there with the rest belonged to the 2000-2006 era.

I beg to differ. Do you notice that from yr 2008 onwards, it's not only tjc but all the top jcs namely ri, hci, vjc and njc had also disappeared from the chart. Only the mid and low-tier jcs remained.
Obviously, the top tier jcs are no longer in the 'hall of fame' as moe could have changed its criteria on measuring SAA and AA and not that tjc had 'fallen from grace'. It is more likely that tjc was still in the top-tier category from 2007 to 2011 and hence not appearing in the chart.

25HMOM wrote:

secschbioteacher wrote:
Year 2012 onwards
School Awards scrapped.
And the speculation starts.
You can see TJC's fall from grace started in 2007.
Those who are still speculating here why TJC isn't up there with the rest belonged to the 2000-2006 era.

I beg to differ. Do you notice that from yr 2008 onwards, it's not only tjc but all the top jcs like ri, hci, vjc and njc had also disappeared from the chart. Only the mid and low-tier jcs remained.
Obviously, the upper tier jcs are no longer in the 'hall of fame' as moe could have changed its criteria on measuring SAA and AA and not that tjc had 'fallen from grace'. It was still in the top-tier category from 2007 to 2011 and hence not appearing in the chart.

So may I realign my stand and say this quoted data explain why NYJC has a meteoric rise up the charts?

secschbioteacher wrote:

25HMOM wrote:

secschbioteacher wrote:
Year 2012 onwards
School Awards scrapped.
And the speculation starts.
You can see TJC's fall from grace started in 2007.
Those who are still speculating here why TJC isn't up there with the rest belonged to the 2000-2006 era.

I beg to differ. Do you notice that from yr 2008 onwards, it's not only tjc but all the top jcs like ri, hci, vjc and njc had also disappeared from the chart. Only the mid and low-tier jcs remained.
Obviously, the upper tier jcs are no longer in the 'hall of fame' as moe could have changed its criteria on measuring SAA and AA and not that tjc had 'fallen from grace'. It was still in the top-tier category from 2007 to 2011 and hence not appearing in the chart.

So may I realign my stand and say this quoted data explain why NYJC has a meteoric rise up the charts?

Absolutely. NYJC is good only when compared to the mid and low-tier JCs for this award and I doubt the principal had explained it to the attendees of the OH.

25HMOM wrote:

secschbioteacher wrote:

25HMOM wrote:
I beg to differ. Do you notice that from yr 2008 onwards, it's not only tjc but all the top jcs like ri, hci, vjc and njc had also disappeared from the chart. Only the mid and low-tier jcs remained.
Obviously, the upper tier jcs are no longer in the 'hall of fame' as moe could have changed its criteria on measuring SAA and AA and not that tjc had 'fallen from grace'. It was still in the top-tier category from 2007 to 2011 and hence not appearing in the chart.

So may I realign my stand and say this quoted data explain why NYJC has a meteoric rise up the charts?

Absolutely. NYJC is good only when compared to the mid and low-tier JCs for this award and I doubt the principal had explained it to the attendees of the OH.

Absolutely. In the same line of logic, TJC is lousy ONLY when compared to the top tier JCs. TJC is still a pretty good JC on its own, just that market forces of supply and demand made a high-end mid-tier JC (like NYJC) overtake a low-end high tier JC (TJC). Make sense?

secschbioteacher wrote:

25HMOM wrote:

secschbioteacher wrote:
So may I realign my stand and say this quoted data explain why NYJC has a meteoric rise up the charts?

Absolutely. NYJC is good only when compared to the mid and low-tier JCs for this award and I doubt the principal had explained it to the attendees of the OH.

Absolutely. In the same line of logic, TJC is lousy ONLY when compared to the top tier JCs. TJC is still a pretty good JC on its own, just that market forces of supply and demand made a high-end mid-tier JC (like NYJC) overtake a low-end high tier JC (TJC). Make sense?