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Re: Millennia Institute

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:14 pm
by zbear
OT - I just do not understand what is MOE's rationale to force MS students to take combined humanities as one of the compulsory subjects for O levels.

Does anyone know?

It's a real struggle for the majority of students including my son.

Re: Millennia Institute

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 2:13 am
by jice_cream
havok_ex wrote:
Firstly, failing combine humans is not a norm. I was from a very neighbourhood school. PSLE entry 189 kind and nobody thought it was a norm to fail combine humans SS/Geog or SS/history.

Secondly, the information you need is here:

http://www.moe.gov.sg/education/admissi ... tion-6.pdf

It is under section 6a, first two pages. The aggregate calculation for L1R4 is excluding bonus points for MI. There is such a thing as a conditional admission for MI as pointed out in section 6a Table 9. You fall under the 16-20 point for L1R4 category since bonus points are excluded.

However, you are not eligible for the conditional admission since they require ALL of the R4 subjects to either be A1 or A2.
In my school, or my class, the majority are C6 to F9 range for usual exam, only minority get B3 & above. It is very hard to pass or get a good grade for humans, unless the teacher is very lenient for that test, and different teachers have different scores one. I always hear people who take geo+ss scoring better than those who take ss+hist for normal exams. I am not sure what happened to my school. Have no choice but to face it since my school only offers 1 humans (no pure only combine) unless u took lit, my lit sucks. Even for O level many people scored C6/D7 for Eng & failed humans. The percentage of distinction for humans was only 8% if i not wrong when it's at least 20% for other papers. Many people cry on that day. I was even shocked when I found out that a guy who used to always top the class for Eng got C6 for his actual paper. My school is a neighborhood school too, my PSLE was 214 and I got in, although the lowest cut-off was 195+ at that time. I regretted my choice sometimes. I kinda got influenced negatively there. I just emailed MI but bad news they say if it's not indicated in form A then I am not eligible for it. I can already see how important English is. I don't care about my Sec school & what i experienced/learnt there anymore, not like I can go back & change anything. I am determined to retake humans and Eng this yr as a private candidate, so I can get a better cert. :imcool: :rahrah:

Re: Millennia Institute

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:47 am
by floppy
jice_cream wrote: In my school, or my class, the majority are C6 to F9 range for usual exam, only minority get B3 & above. It is very hard to pass or get a good grade for humans, unless the teacher is very lenient for that test, and different teachers have different scores one. I always hear people who take geo+ss scoring better than those who take ss+hist for normal exams. I am not sure what happened to my school. Have no choice but to face it since my school only offers 1 humans (no pure only combine) unless u took lit, my lit sucks. Even for O level many people scored C6/D7 for Eng & failed humans. The percentage of distinction for humans was only 8% if i not wrong when it's at least 20% for other papers. Many people cry on that day. I was even shocked when I found out that a guy who used to always top the class for Eng got C6 for his actual paper. My school is a neighborhood school too, my PSLE was 214 and I got in, although the lowest cut-off was 195+ at that time. I regretted my choice sometimes. I kinda got influenced negatively there. I just emailed MI but bad news they say if it's not indicated in form A then I am not eligible for it. I can already see how important English is. I don't care about my Sec school & what i experienced/learnt there anymore, not like I can go back & change anything. I am determined to retake humans and Eng this yr as a private candidate, so I can get a better cert. :imcool: :rahrah:
I'll just go straight to the point.

Based on your results and possible subject combinations, MI or JC would not be suitable for you. You will probably do well in an Engineering or IT type of courses in the poly.

Re: Millennia Institute

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 10:09 am
by jetsetter
floppy wrote:
jice_cream wrote: In my school, or my class, the majority are C6 to F9 range for usual exam, only minority get B3 & above. It is very hard to pass or get a good grade for humans, unless the teacher is very lenient for that test, and different teachers have different scores one. I always hear people who take geo+ss scoring better than those who take ss+hist for normal exams. I am not sure what happened to my school. Have no choice but to face it since my school only offers 1 humans (no pure only combine) unless u took lit, my lit sucks. Even for O level many people scored C6/D7 for Eng & failed humans. The percentage of distinction for humans was only 8% if i not wrong when it's at least 20% for other papers. Many people cry on that day. I was even shocked when I found out that a guy who used to always top the class for Eng got C6 for his actual paper. My school is a neighborhood school too, my PSLE was 214 and I got in, although the lowest cut-off was 195+ at that time. I regretted my choice sometimes. I kinda got influenced negatively there. I just emailed MI but bad news they say if it's not indicated in form A then I am not eligible for it. I can already see how important English is. I don't care about my Sec school & what i experienced/learnt there anymore, not like I can go back & change anything. I am determined to retake humans and Eng this yr as a private candidate, so I can get a better cert. :imcool: :rahrah:
I'll just go straight to the point.

Based on your results and possible subject combinations, MI or JC would not be suitable for you. You will probably do well in an Engineering or IT type of courses in the poly.
Agree with floppy. Even if you get into MI or another lower-tiered JC, you might not be able to get into Science faculty. If you get Arts Faculty and your Eng is poor, you will have a tough time doing those Humanities subjects. Don't forget the mother of all Humans to deal with - GP.

How about business mgmt or accountancy in poly?

You probably can retake as pte candidate, but like Joy for Learning 111 has advised, you need to a min of some grade to qualify, right?

Re: Millennia Institute

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:50 pm
by miki96
I dont think i would do well in engineering as im a feminine girl, engineering is not suitable for me. I have no interest in it either. i might like design but i struggled for my DnT in sec sch. IT sounds cool but i find it kinda complicated esp programming.
Hi, i'm currently studying in Millennia Institute Year 2 with all passes in my subjects for Year 1.
I'll just be direct and straight to the point.
Are you prepared to really put in your effort and to study really hard for the subject? Or are you more the project / integrated assignment type? Because if you feel that mundane textbook/notes studying is not what you may like, Poly may be more suitable.

However, poly has this system where they count their grades on GPA and you have to score top 5% of the entire cohort in order to be eligible for University.
MI they spread their syllabus in 3 years' time span. Like you get your foundations right on the first year and if your chinese is like A1/A2 during O Levels, you can opt to take A Level Chinese in year 1 and be done with it. Then for Year 2, you take your H1 contrasting subjects and Project Work and A Level Chinese (if you did not take it in Year 1).

Your remaining 3 H2 Subjects will be taken when you get promoted to Year 3. JC has only 1 and a half year for you to prepare for A's (minus the holidays + orientation week), whereas MI has 2 and a half year for you to prepare.

Whereas Poly, if you opt for poly, its not as stressful but during Project Week, you have many different modules that has deadlines for the assignments approaching and you'll really feel the crunch. Especially if the course modules is really demanding and its a group work, you'd pray that your group mates are good because your GPA will depend on your group mates + your performance.
Poly may seem less stressful, but its more stressful cause they prepare you for the working society outside, whereas MI prepares you for University Life + Working society and JC prepares you for University Life.

Depends on what you really want, actually.

Re: Millennia Institute

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:54 pm
by jice_cream
floppy wrote:
I'll just go straight to the point.

Based on your results and possible subject combinations, MI or JC would not be suitable for you. You will probably do well in an Engineering or IT type of courses in the poly.
im not even eligible for JC/MI with this result. i dont think i will do well in engineering as im a feminine girl and engineering is more of like a masculine course. i look thru it &its not suitable for me at all. IT sounds cool but its too complicated esp programming. wanna try design but i struggled w DnT last yr.I wanna do well & study business or psychology

Re: Millennia Institute

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:46 pm
by jice_cream
jetsetter wrote: Agree with floppy. Even if you get into MI or another lower-tiered JC, you might not be able to get into Science faculty. If you get Arts Faculty and your Eng is poor, you will have a tough time doing those Humanities subjects. Don't forget the mother of all Humans to deal with - GP.

How about business mgmt or accountancy in poly?

You probably can retake as pte candidate, but like Joy for Learning 111 has advised, you need to a min of some grade to qualify, right?
Can I go back to my former school to study as a school candidate? No, since it is for students who did badly and only eligible for ite. Can i retake as a private candidate? Yes. i went to MOE and asked they say i can use a comb cert. I wanna try this yr & see if my results improve or not. if it didnt, then i will accept my fate. Meanwhile I'll sign up for a course in Poly.
Part of the reasons why i wanna get into JC/MI is cuz most of my cousins who took their A levels said that it's not that hard. One of my cousins who got C6 for Eng but got into a top JC cuz of higher chinese said that A lvl isnt really that hard as long as you study. Most of my cousins studied in JC or is aiming for JC. i want to be on par with them. not look down by them since im from poly. Then there comes my career choices. im an indecisive person so i might regret taking the course in poly. what if i regret and have no choice but to die die study the same course in uni or to work as the same career in the future? Regretting & switching course in uni is much easier with an A lvl cert maybe? High chance of getting into a good prestigious local uni too if you're a jc graduate w a decent A level score.
Even if i still can't into a jc my cert will look horrible with 2 Ds on it. I know its a hard life if i were in jc/mi but i believe that anyone can make it no matter how hard it is, its just the determination. i know i might not have an advantage into science stream as i took comb science but i hope they would maybe consider since I took A maths? I think i can get in if i retake my double maths & get a distinct. this time. That's just my opinion on Poly/JC tho I havent try any of it yet.
Im not that much interested in Accountance but i wanna try business. I cant get in both which is sad :'( thats why i hope to retake & pass english so i can get more to choose. even if im content with my current course getting better grade for English is neccessary for future enrolment & job opportunities. dont think employer wud be happy with my current english results. Thus, I am very determined to retake as a private candidate since I'm qualify for it according to the MOE. I believe I can do better since I knew that my previous way of studying is wrong, and I realized what mistakes I've committed so I could mend it this time. As of the arts stream, if say my English & humans result improve, why not? "A pathway is created by someone walking on the ground (or grass) where nobody has stepped before"

Re: Millennia Institute

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:45 pm
by floppy
jice_cream wrote: Can I go back to my former school to study as a school candidate? No, since it is for students who did badly and only eligible for ite. Can i retake as a private candidate? Yes. i went to MOE and asked they say i can use a comb cert. I wanna try this yr & see if my results improve or not. if it didnt, then i will accept my fate. Meanwhile I'll sign up for a course in Poly.
Part of the reasons why i wanna get into JC/MI is cuz most of my cousins who took their A levels said that it's not that hard. One of my cousins who got C6 for Eng but got into a top JC cuz of higher chinese said that A lvl isnt really that hard as long as you study. Most of my cousins studied in JC or is aiming for JC. i want to be on par with them. not look down by them since im from poly. Then there comes my career choices. im an indecisive person so i might regret taking the course in poly. what if i regret and have no choice but to die die study the same course in uni or to work as the same career in the future? Regretting & switching course in uni is much easier with an A lvl cert maybe? High chance of getting into a good prestigious local uni too if you're a jc graduate w a decent A level score.
Even if i still can't into a jc my cert will look horrible with 2 Ds on it. I know its a hard life if i were in jc/mi but i believe that anyone can make it no matter how hard it is, its just the determination. i know i might not have an advantage into science stream as i took comb science but i hope they would maybe consider since I took A maths? I think i can get in if i retake my double maths & get a distinct. this time. That's just my opinion on Poly/JC tho I havent try any of it yet.
Im not that much interested in Accountance but i wanna try business. I cant get in both which is sad :'( thats why i hope to retake & pass english so i can get more to choose. even if im content with my current course getting better grade for English is neccessary for future enrolment & job opportunities. dont think employer wud be happy with my current english results. Thus, I am very determined to retake as a private candidate since I'm qualify for it according to the MOE. I believe I can do better since I knew that my previous way of studying is wrong, and I realized what mistakes I've committed so I could mend it this time. As of the arts stream, if say my English & humans result improve, why not? "A pathway is created by someone walking on the ground (or grass) where nobody has stepped before"
My post may be meaningless since application had already closed but given that you have qualified for several courses in the polytechnics, I hope you have taken other options while you prepare to retake the exam as a private candidate.

I'm surprise to hear that the A level is not that difficult. It's probably true if the objective is to obtain a pass. However, to be able to control the choice of courses in the University, that would need more than a pass. Comparison with your cousins appears to me that you see the A level as the end journey in itself. Unfortunately, it is not. The A level is only an intermediary stop and a roadblock for people seeking entry into a university. Thus, the A level is no different from a diploma if it is used as the means to qualify for the university. Different tools, same destination.

Switching course (from the one a diploma holder took in Poly) or entering a course in university has nothing to do with the type of entry qualification (A level, IB or diploma). It is all about the quality of that entry qualification. Score a good pass, a diploma holder is just as able to switch / enter into a course of his / her choice as the A level student. The A level, by itself, has no advantage if it is merely 'decent'.

Despite your strength in Maths, jetsetter has pointed out why the subject combinations in MI/JC will not work to your advantage given your weaknesses in English / Humanities. I am of the opinion that your previous way of studying isn't wrong; if anything, your results (A2s and B3s) indicate that the method is fine but the foundation of the English language is not. It's better to exploit your strengths than to expose your weaknesses. The A level, especially the General Paper, can be a harsh mistress.

Re: Millennia Institute

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:32 pm
by jetsetter
jice_cream wrote:
jetsetter wrote: Agree with floppy. Even if you get into MI or another lower-tiered JC, you might not be able to get into Science faculty. If you get Arts Faculty and your Eng is poor, you will have a tough time doing those Humanities subjects. Don't forget the mother of all Humans to deal with - GP.

How about business mgmt or accountancy in poly?

You probably can retake as pte candidate, but like Joy for Learning 111 has advised, you need to a min of some grade to qualify, right?
Can I go back to my former school to study as a school candidate? No, since it is for students who did badly and only eligible for ite. Can i retake as a private candidate? Yes. i went to MOE and asked they say i can use a comb cert. I wanna try this yr & see if my results improve or not. if it didnt, then i will accept my fate. Meanwhile I'll sign up for a course in Poly.

Part of the reasons why i wanna get into JC/MI is cuz most of my cousins who took their A levels said that it's not that hard. One of my cousins who got C6 for Eng but got into a top JC cuz of higher chinese said that A lvl isnt really that hard as long as you study. Most of my cousins studied in JC or is aiming for JC. i want to be on par with them. not look down by them since im from poly. Then there comes my career choices. im an indecisive person so i might regret taking the course in poly. what if i regret and have no choice but to die die study the same course in uni or to work as the same career in the future? Regretting & switching course in uni is much easier with an A lvl cert maybe? High chance of getting into a good prestigious local uni too if you're a jc graduate w a decent A level score.

Even if i still can't into a jc my cert will look horrible with 2 Ds on it. I know its a hard life if i were in jc/mi but i believe that anyone can make it no matter how hard it is, its just the determination. i know i might not have an advantage into science stream as i took comb science but i hope they would maybe consider since I took A maths? I think i can get in if i retake my double maths & get a distinct. this time. That's just my opinion on Poly/JC tho I havent try any of it yet.

Im not that much interested in Accountance but i wanna try business. I cant get in both which is sad :'( thats why i hope to retake & pass english so i can get more to choose. even if im content with my current course getting better grade for English is neccessary for future enrolment & job opportunities. dont think employer wud be happy with my current english results.

Thus, I am very determined to retake as a private candidate since I'm qualify for it according to the MOE. I believe I can do better since I knew that my previous way of studying is wrong, and I realized what mistakes I've committed so I could mend it this time. As of the arts stream, if say my English & humans result improve, why not? "A pathway is created by someone walking on the ground (or grass) where nobody has stepped before"
You're full of tenacity, which is very good. I'm not sure if you can "mix & match" or "pick & choose" the best grades from either certs attained in 2015 and 2016 as you wish to apply for JC the following year?

Re: Millennia Institute

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:21 pm
by floppy
jetsetter wrote:
You're full of tenacity, which is very good. I'm not sure if you can "mix & match" or "pick & choose" the best grades from either certs attained in 2015 and 2016 as you wish to apply for JC the following year?
Yes, she can. MOE will accept combined results taken at up to 2 sittings only (no need to be consecutive years).

While it's easy to improve on 1 or 2 subjects as a private candidate, especially moving on from D7/E8 to C6/C5, it is difficult to be able to improve in more than 2 subjects, unless the candidate is immersed in a structured school environment. To be able to improve on 4 subjects, let alone scoring distinctions in 2 subjects, is extremely rare.