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Unlike entry to Primary Schools, admission into Secondary Schools is based on meritocracy. PSLE results are used as key admission criteria. Discuss everything related to PSLE and selection of Secondary Schools here.

RGS vs NYGH DSA offer : which will you choose ?

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Re: Compare RGS vs NYGH

Postby iRabbit » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:09 pm

At the end of the day, it’s each sch’s perogative to set the IP promotion bar at a level it deems fit. For HCI/NYGH case, that bar was set at 65%, while RI set it at 60% and RGS at 50%. The R sch students also have the flexibility to choose the best subjects for GPA calculation (and not have to include all subjects).

Thankfully despite the more lenient promotion criteria, RI still manages to do relatively well for its A level.

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Re: Compare RGS vs NYGH

Postby peasants » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:22 am

iRabbit wrote:Thankfully despite the more lenient promotion criteria, RI still manages to do relatively well for its A level.


Good summary.

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Re: Compare RGS vs NYGH

Postby lee_yl » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:32 am

Yeah! It’s each school’s perogative to set their own promotional criteria. So long as everything is transparent and applied consistently across the board without fear or favour, there’s nothing to complain about. We just need to be informed and supervise the kids to work hard. Even for my DD1’s IP school, their promotional criteria for year 1 is min overall of 60% with an additional condition that Lang & Arts must be above 60%.

If the schools recognise early that some students really can’t meet the academic rigour, then channelling them to the O-level route may not necessarily be a bad thing after all. After all, every kid develops at a different pace.

I believe the UAS for both HCI (JC) and RI (JC) for the 2017 (last year) A-level batch should only have minimal difference? Both schools are equally good.

From my own personal experience, when I chose secondary schools for my two kids, I didn’t even know the details of the promotional criteria, I just consider more important things (to me) like school culture, environment, curriculum and programs, teachers’ quality and a qualitative assessment whether my child will be a good fit in their respective new schools. Whatever the school’s promotional criteria, I just play by the rules.

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Re: Compare RGS vs NYGH

Postby phtthp » Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:46 am

jenao wrote:Thank you for sharing this MommyNg. Very good info to know. It seems that the promotion criteria to JC for NYGH is very strict and these are internal criteria to promote to JC1, resulting in about 30-40 students not making it every year.


But what I don’t understand is why does NYGH set such a high internal promotion criteria above 65
and not want to ensure that more of the students can be promoted to JC like the case of RGS? Am I missing something? Sorry, if this is silly question, just very perplexed.



lego wrote:For dd’s batch, quite a no of those in O level class were in sports.
Not sure about their t score.



lee_yl wrote:.

From another perspective, the best school is not necessarily the most suitable school. If a child can be channeled early to another path when he is not found suitable, why should it a bad thing for the child? It may be a blessing in disguise instead as the child would be allowed to learn and develop at a pace suitable for him. That would be nurturing whereas keeping him in the rat race at a pace not suited for him may be more detrimental.



pirate wrote:You people make it sound like HCI (JC) prefers that these IP students give way to make room for more O-level 2 pointers. :laugh:


Now, no more 2 pointers, had became history of the past.

After MOE had implemented the new change of merging (reducing / cut down) of 8 Junior Colleges into 4, noticed that the COP admission for JAE students, at both (RI and Hwa Chong) Junior Colleges had changed from 3 points (in the past) to 5 points, for this year 2018 most recent JAE JC1 batch admitted in ?

noticed that for 2018 PSLE, NYGH COP for P6 students (Sec 1 admission cohort) also dropped, from 265 (in the past) to 258 ?

In order to

a) continue maintain Hwa Chong Junior College High standard of producing excellent GCE A level results, and also


b)
to help those IP students struggling inside, by “weeding” (identifying) them out as early as possible and to channel them out into the SIP (Structured IP) on-demand O-level class, Hwa Chong Junior College is actually giving back these struggling IP students a Second chance to U-turn back to a more suitable path for them, to enable them graduate with a proper O-level certificate this time round, so that they can move on forward in life, either to a Polytechnic or to another less academic rigorous Junior College for their remaining A-level journey.


If your daughter is caught in such a situation, struggling inside the IP curriculum, which is wiser ?

To let your poor girl continue remain inside IP course all the way to A-level, harm her psychologically on the verge of mental break-down, emotionally fearful of clearing each year’s Promotional exam, mentally drained (exhausted), turn her into a nervous wreck, let her continue feel demoralized in her up-hill struggle, end up doing badly (poorly) at A-level (final end-point), cannot even enter those university faculty that she ever dreamed of entering before, and eventually graduate with only a PSLE certificate ?

Or

To help her restore confidence, graduate with a proper,full O-level certificate from the SIP programme, that marks the end of a 4-years Secondary school education, and from there make new plans to move on forward to some other alternative path ?


can read this article below, how Hwa Chong students are so obsessed with grades

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... ked-the-ip
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Re: Compare RGS vs NYGH

Postby lee_yl » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:00 pm

phtthp wrote:If your daughter is caught in such a situation, struggling inside the IP curriculum, which is wiser ?

To let your poor girl continue remain inside IP course all the way to A-level, harm her psychologically on the verge of mental break-down, emotionally fearful of clearing each year’s Promotional exam, mentally drained (exhausted), turn her into a nervous wreck, let her continue feel demoralized in her up-hill struggle, end up doing badly (poorly) at A-level (final end-point), cannot even enter those university faculty that she ever dreamed of entering before, and eventually graduate with only a PSLE certificate ?

Or

To help her restore confidence, graduate with a proper O-level certificate from the SIP programme, and from there make new plans to move on forward to some other alternative path ?


I will pull her out halfway and send her overseas. Of cos I will tell the whole world that she is doing fine, just that we felt that going overseas is an easier route to get into a coveted overseas Uni. :evil:

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/the-shame-of-dropping-out-of-the-integrated-programme
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Re: Compare RGS vs NYGH

Postby phtthp » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:11 pm

lee_yl wrote:Yeah! It’s each school’s perogative to set their own promotional criteria. So long as everything is transparent and applied consistently across the board without fear or favour, there’s nothing to complain about. We just need to be informed and supervise the kids to work hard. Even for my DD1’s IP school, their promotional criteria for year 1 is min overall of 60% with an additional condition that Lang & Arts must be above 60%.

If the schools recognise early that some students really can’t meet the academic rigour, then channelling them to the O-level route may not necessarily be a bad thing after all. After all, every kid develops at a different pace.

I believe the UAS for both HCI (JC) and RI (JC) for the 2017 (last year) A-level batch should only have minimal difference? Both schools are equally good.

From my own personal experience, when I chose secondary schools for my two kids, I didn’t even know the details of the promotional criteria, I just consider more important things (to me) like school culture, environment, curriculum and programs, teachers’ quality and a qualitative assessment whether my child will be a good fit in their respective new schools. Whatever the school’s promotional criteria, I just play by the rules.

When come to choosing Secondary schools, knowing what kind of school culture, environment, curriculum.etc, as what u mentioned, is only the basic fundamental groundwork checked. However, these not enough, insufficient. One should also do further homework, find out how each year's Promotional criteria, is like ? heard of Chinese saying, "yong bei er lai ?"

give u an analogy, say eg, check into a hotel, overseas, in a foreign land. When u open the door, step into a hotel room, may see a gorgeous, beautiful dining or sleeping area. However, something far more important is, u must remember to also go and find, "Where is the fire-exit escape route ?". In the event of a fire, where the flames keep devour, destroy everything, as the licking flames go higher and higher up the storey (level), one cannot possibly take a lift down, because trapped inside the lift. Saw the movie, "Towering Inferno ?" So how to escape, in the event of a fire emergency break-out ?

Which situation is better ? to go and find out first where is the fire escape route, or in the event of really a fire break out, start to scream and panic and start digging for a torch-light in the dark, frantically trying to find the escape road ?

Same thing, when one enter an IP school, must go and find out : how to escape ?
In the case of NYGH, the escape comes in the form of a SIP programme, in case emergency : cannot cope, inside IP.


Future batches of IP-seeking candidates, targeting (intend) to study in other IP schools like
(National Junior College, Temasek Junior College, Catholic High, SCGS, St Nick, ACSI, MGS, SJI, Victoria, Cedar, Dunman High, River Valley High, NUS High) IP, esp. those taking 2019 PSLE candidates, pls do yourself a favor, find out in detail what is the Promotional Criterial like each year, from Sec 1 to Year 5 ? After u had checked thoroughly the detail, u remain confident of taking up the challenging IP program, then go for it. Check this out, even before start to accept DSA offer, binding yourself down to the IP contract, for next 6 years.


Below article describe the constant pressure and competition, as typical challenges faced by students, from the rigorous IP program.

ln IP, group work and projects assignment determine a certain big weightage (proportion) towards your continuous GPA / MSG score. This means that your results also dependent upon how reliable (or un-reliable) your team members you working with are, and there’s constant competition.

At so young an early age of 13 years old (Secondary 1), not all IP students like or adapt well to Projects-oriented style of studying (learning), or towards university type of “Lecture-Tutorial” studying, or towards "book your own personal consultation time periods with individual subject Tr, to clarify all your doubts & problems that you faced or encounter" very independent way of studying expected. .


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Re: Compare RGS vs NYGH

Postby pirate » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:28 pm

phtthp wrote:Now, no more 2 pointers, had became history of the past.

After MOE had implemented the new change of merging (reducing / cut down) of 8 Junior Colleges into 4, noticed that the COP admission for JAE students, at both (RI and Hwa Chong) Junior Colleges had changed from 3 points (in the past) to 5 points, for this year 2018 most recent JAE JC1 batch admitted in ?

Oh snap! You mean nowadays L1R5 of 9 minus 4 (Ok, ok. Make it 8 minus 4 to be safe) can get into R and H JCs? Then 打到你死我活 to get into and survive R and H schools' IP program for what? :duck:

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Re: Compare RGS vs NYGH

Postby phtthp » Thu Jan 03, 2019 4:45 pm

Yes, 5 pointers can enter RI and Hwa Chong, wef 2018 JC1 batch students, after Moe had merged (collapsed) 8 Junior Colleges, into 4.

There is a very big pool, ready supply of 5 pointers around, from JAE students to enter JC1, looking for vacancies.

Hwa Chong Junior College policy : In NYGH IP curriculum, if one cannot meet (sustain) 65 percent aggregate, start shifting out IP students (regardless of whether enter by DSA, or by T-score) to SIP (Structured IP, on-demand O level course), get ready to exit IP.


https://sis.moe.gov.sg/SchoolDetails.as ... lCode=0806

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Re: Compare RGS vs NYGH

Postby Nycity » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:01 pm

Hi,

Seems like rgs is a better choice for dd to aim in 2020. Will the ranking change since it overtook nygh in terms of cop?

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Re: Compare RGS vs NYGH

Postby Wanderer1231 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:14 pm

Well, NYGH might still rise back to the top spot, you never know. But is it true that RGS’s promotion criteria is 50%? That’s a huge difference from NYGH’s 65%. Maybe RGS sets harder papers...?

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