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Re: DSA 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:20 am
by dagong99
tankee wrote:NUS High School

Open House - 13 Apr (Sat)
DSA Test - 6 Jul (Sat)
DSA Camp - 20 Jul (Sat)
Just for info for those who are interested to know where NUS High students went after graduation for the past years :

Our students from Class of 2008 to 2017 have been offered to study in the following universities:

Asia-Pacific

Australia National University
KAIST
Monash University
Nanyang Technological University
National University of Singapore
Seoul National University
Singapore Management University
Singapore University of Technology and Design
University of Adelaide
University of Hong Kong
University of Melbourne
University of New South Wales
University of Queensland
University of Sydney
University of Tokyo
Yale-NUS

North America
Brown University
California Institute of Technology
Carnegie Mellon University
Columbia University
Cornell University
Duke University
Emory University
Harvard University
Harvey Mudd College
Johns Hopkins University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
McGill University
Princeton University
Rice University
Stanford University
Tufts University
University of British Columbia
University of California, Berkeley
University of Illinois at Urbana- Champaign
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
University of Pennsylvania
University of Toronto
University of Waterloo
Vanderbilt University
Wesleyan University
Williams College
Yale University

Europe
Ecole Hoteliere de Lausanne
Heidelberg University
Imperial College London
King’s College London
London School of Economics
Oxford University
University of St Andrews
University College London
University of Cambridge
University of Edinburgh
University of Glasgow
University of London
University of Nottingham
University of Warwick
and more…

Re: DSA 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:43 am
by lee_yl
Saw two letters on ST forum yesterday. Both writers urge parents to consider whether their child is a good fit for top IP schools, especially when applying under non-academic DSA.

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/lett ... dsa-scheme

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/lett ... ds-a-reset


The shame of dropping out of IP -
by Sandra Davie

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... -programme

Re: DSA 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:13 am
by floppy
lee_yl wrote:Saw two letters on ST forum yesterday. Both writers urge parents to consider whether their child is a good fit for top IP schools, especially when applying under non-academic DSA.

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/lett ... dsa-scheme

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/lett ... ds-a-reset


The shame of dropping out of IP -
by Sandra Davie

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... -programme
It would be great if MOE can upend the the whole mindset by having / starting an IP school but with the condition that t-score must be < 250 to be eligible.

Re: DSA 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:31 am
by .zeit
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Re: DSA 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:55 am
by Estéema
Btwn teens & adolescent ages, it’s a very crucial period. Like a young plant needing to find it’s identity & footing. Hence, besides intellect, the emotional & health concerns becomes more critical to focus on.

As parents, we need to build their resilience, confidence & perseverance. Without softskills, all the knowledge one has they’ll be defeated by self-doubts, anxieties, negative competitiveness, etc.

Chaw probably hv a lot of anxieties in an environment of high performing peers. If one hv a happy home environment & taught to just do their best whilst accepting poor grades means ano opportunity to improve, there may not be a need to get into any situation of feeling disadvantaged thro sabotage. It’s a vicious cycle. I’m surprised the Institution did not capture & offer counseling support to help Chaw work thro his anxieties. Ano area that affects is the family & parental expectations.

Depression & shame s’times eats a person up. So, no count even if u’re a scholar. IP is a course for building the ability to work well with team members & negotiate a good outcome. One has to be giving & yet if one hv the leadership ability to use persuasive skills to get buy-Ins to ideas for the project & max members’ contribution. There’s no room for pettiness nor selfishness. One cannot be reactive or temperamental. So, in these respect, I find value in IP course. However, if my child is not cooperative, not motivated or driven & rebellious sort, then it’s alr a path setup to fail at some point.

He’s fortunate to hv ability to head overseas to complete his studies. I do hope he’ll seek wise counsel to overcome that nagging feeling of his past & worldly judgement. I’m hoping as maturity sets in, he’ll overcome & make breakthroughs to live a fruitful life that counts.

I do admire that he made a brave effort to share his journey & put a face to IP & how he was coping/struggling. It’s a first step towards theowingvthat shadow behind him.

Re: DSA 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:33 am
by zac's mum
Some schools’ culture are very cut-throat. Anything less than an A is deemed as stupid. Once you are marked as an underperformer, it’s made to seem like end of the world. Open your eyes big big when you choose your future school.

Re: DSA 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:48 am
by entei17
lee_yl wrote:Saw two letters on ST forum yesterday. Both writers urge parents to consider whether their child is a good fit for top IP schools, especially when applying under non-academic DSA.

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/lett ... dsa-scheme

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/lett ... ds-a-reset


The shame of dropping out of IP -
by Sandra Davie

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... -programme
There is another ST article today:
https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/on ... e-for-psle
There seems to be an official propaganda drive to de-emphasize academics judging by the newsflow lately. It seems that if you excel in CCA and outside interests, you should be lauded and celebrated. But if you excel in academics and related interests, you are like a 过街老鼠,人人喊打, and go hide yourself in a hole. It seems MOE new policy to uplift the weaker students is to ask the stronger students to slow down to wait for the rest. If academics is not important, then the civil service should take the lead and not ask for grade transcripts when they hire, and base purely on the certs achieved, experience, and the interview.

In the IP dropout article, it is unnecessary to bash IP. Mr Chaw was correctly selected for the IP programme. He did very well for Sec1-4. If anything, he's an early bloomer, who has peaked early. The only criticism of the IP program at HCI (or some other IP school) is that they don't offer a dual track 'O' level program to fall back on. This still does not affect Mr. Chaw though because he started doing badly only in JC1. So the ST article is biased in that the journalist single-mindedly wants to deliver her message and just mix-n-match the evidence and ignore the facts.

MOE reveals there is a not insignificant 6% of IP students who left the program from various secondary school years, with a significant number of them who DSA into the schools by non-academics. For the last 10 years, we've read about the horror stories of these students left to fend on their own. MOE knows this, the IP schools know this, and yet they have done nothing to prevent these from happening and still accept non-academic DSA students whose PSLE score is way below the COP. Why the reluctance to change? Instead, these students should only be accepted conditional on their PSLE score being not more than 5-10 points below the COP, and mandate all IP/IB schools offer a dual track O levels for them to fall back on.

The DSA program is a farce. It should be reserved for true talents who have spent lots of time horning their skills to achieve international standards, at the expense of their studies. We also have the Singapore Sports School and SOTA who have the proper facilities and adjusted curriculum to take in all the possible sports and aesthetics talents our tiny nation can unearth. If you are serious about sports and the arts, you should go there instead and not the top academic schools. If you want to uplift the have-not students, then all the more the DSA system is unfavorable to them. They have no time and family support to pursue these interests to qualify to DSA. DSA is just a backdoor entry to the top schools for the haves. If parents can spend thousands of $ and hours to horne a skill to try DSA, why don't they just spend the same $ and time to lift their grades, as the payoff and effects are more lasting and beneficial in the long run?

There is also the mistaken notion that top schools offer a good environment and curriculum. What is one man's meat is another's poison. Only if you are up for the competition. What makes a school good is the students. The presence of similar peers raises the competitive spirit that leads to productivity and intense competition. This is what's happening in our local top schools and similarly playing out in top schools and universities through the world. Harvard, MIT etc are top because the top minds go there, and they tailor the curriculum that these top minds can accept. If you move all the students from RI/HCI/NYGH to XYZ school in the neighborhood, then XYZ school would be the top school, even if the teachers are unchanged. In fact, it is likely that such top schools teaches less and expect the students to be independent. There is no need to squeeze a square peg in a round hole, if you are not a good fit.

In today's article that questions whether the PSLE is unfavorable for late bloomers, our education system does not shut anyone off from achieving their maximum potential. No matter how late bloomer they can be, it just take a longer time than usual to complete. NA, N, O, Poly then U.

Re: DSA 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:55 am
by GTGT
entei17 wrote:
lee_yl wrote:Saw two letters on ST forum yesterday. Both writers urge parents to consider whether their child is a good fit for top IP schools, especially when applying under non-academic DSA.

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/lett ... dsa-scheme

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/lett ... ds-a-reset


The shame of dropping out of IP -
by Sandra Davie

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... -programme
There is another ST article today:
https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/on ... e-for-psle
There seems to be an official propaganda drive to de-emphasize academics judging by the newsflow lately. It seems that if you excel in CCA and outside interests, you should be lauded and celebrated. But if you excel in academics and related interests, you are like a 过街老鼠,人人喊打, and go hide yourself in a hole. It seems MOE new policy to uplift the weaker students is to ask the stronger students to slow down to wait for the rest. If academics is not important, then the civil service should take the lead and not ask for grade transcripts when they hire, and base purely on the certs achieved, experience, and the interview.

In the IP dropout article, it is unnecessary to bash IP. Mr Chaw was correctly selected for the IP programme. He did very well for Sec1-4. If anything, he's an early bloomer, who has peaked early. The only criticism of the IP program at HCI (or some other IP school) is that they don't offer a dual track 'O' level program to fall back on. This still does not affect Mr. Chaw though because he started doing badly only in JC1. So the ST article is biased in that the journalist single-mindedly wants to deliver her message and just mix-n-match the evidence and ignore the facts.

MOE reveals there is a not insignificant 6% of IP students who left the program from various secondary school years, with a significant number of them who DSA into the schools by non-academics. For the last 10 years, we've read about the horror stories of these students left to fend on their own. MOE knows this, the IP schools know this, and yet they have done nothing to prevent these from happening and still accept non-academic DSA students whose PSLE score is way below the COP. Why the reluctance to change? Instead, these students should only be accepted conditional on their PSLE score being not more than 5-10 points below the COP, and mandate all IP/IB schools offer a dual track O levels for them to fall back on.

The DSA program is a farce. It should be reserved for true talents who have spent lots of time horning their skills to achieve international standards, at the expense of their studies. We also have the Singapore Sports School and SOTA who have the proper facilities and adjusted curriculum to take in all the possible sports and aesthetics talents our tiny nation can unearth. If you are serious about sports and the arts, you should go there instead and not the top academic schools. If you want to uplift the have-not students, then all the more the DSA system is unfavorable to them. They have no time and family support to pursue these interests to qualify to DSA. DSA is just a backdoor entry to the top schools for the haves. If parents can spend thousands of $ and hours to horne a skill to try DSA, why don't they just spend the same $ and time to lift their grades, as the payoff and effects are more lasting and beneficial in the long run?

There is also the mistaken notion that top schools offer a good environment and curriculum. What is one man's meat is another's poison. Only if you are up for the competition. What makes a school good is the students. The presence of similar peers raises the competitive spirit that leads to productivity and intense competition. This is what's happening in our local top schools and similarly playing out in top schools and universities through the world. Harvard, MIT etc are top because the top minds go there, and they tailor the curriculum that these top minds can accept. If you move all the students from RI/HCI/NYGH to XYZ school in the neighborhood, then XYZ school would be the top school, even if the teachers are unchanged. In fact, it is likely that such top schools teaches less and expect the students to be independent. There is no need to squeeze a square peg in a round hole, if you are not a good fit.

In today's article that questions whether the PSLE is unfavorable for late bloomers, our education system does not shut anyone off from achieving their maximum potential. No matter how late bloomer they can be, it just take a longer time than usual to complete. NA, N, O, Poly then U.
:goodpost:

Agreed 100% on your paragraph 1. These days, if you are good academically, you have to keep low profile to avoid :spank:

Re: DSA 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:15 pm
by lee_yl
.zeit wrote:Mr Chaw didn't give himself a second chance and gave up too easily.
:scratchhead: Did he enter via DSA?

I agree with entie17 that Chaw is a good fit for doing IP. By Yr 4, every subject straight A1s except HCL! If that’s not a good fit, then I wonder what kind of result is.

But I don’t think it’s because he peaked early because he continued to do well all the way to year 4. He mentioned family problems + anxiety attacks in year 5 which led him to drop out by year 6. When one has parents going thru divorce or in financial difficulties etc., it can be a big blow to any student at all levels, not just those in the IP.

@entie17, really there is such directions from MOE to ask stronger students to slow down and wait for the rest ah? Your post made me recall a friend who used the words “平民化”. :lol: Yesterday she said she sensed her child’s top school is trying to 平民化 everyone. Maybe really govt’s direction to be less elitist.

Re: DSA 2019

Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:32 pm
by zbear
zac's mum wrote:Some schools’ culture are very cut-throat. Anything less than an A is deemed as stupid. Once you are marked as an underperformer, it’s made to seem like end of the world. Open your eyes big big when you choose your future school.

Pls share - which schools’ culture are very cut-throat?