Spotting talent early

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Spotting talent early

Postby kiasulang » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:59 pm

About 30 primary 5 and 6 students with an aptitude for math and science were selected for its new "Einstein Club" programme, where students take NUS high modules. These can be counted for credit if these students choose to enter NUS high after PSLE.

Does any parents know about the selection criteria?

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Postby Jenn » Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:07 am

If there are only 30 of them - then it is likely that they come from the top of the maths/science olympics awardees. NUSH conducts the NMOS (national math olympic of singapore) for P5 students and there are about 50 gold awardees. HCI conducts the SMOPS (singapore math olympics for pri schools) for P6 students and there are about 70 platinum awardees.

Looks like the competition among the schools for these students is heating up. NUSH offered confirmed places to about 70 of these top olympic awardees during the DSA. Not all goes to NUSH. They are spread among RI, HCI, RGSS, NYGH and NUSH.

The strength of NUSH - a specislised school offering advanced/accelerated maths and science programs - is also turning to be a drawback used against them. Many of the other schools warns against specialising too early during their DSA open house. One prides itself on training students who are able to switch between science and humanities easily. Even the school located across the street opposite NUSH has a big banner that says "We offer a holistic education".

I had chanced upon some photos of a children workshop @ NUSH. Have a look:

http://www.enchantingkairos.com/slidesh ... index.html

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Postby kiasulang » Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:03 pm

Singapore Sport School is training students talented in swimming as early as Pri.4. Normally, SSS invite Pri.5 students to a time trial at the school and select those that are qualified. I wondered whether SOTA is also spotting talent early.

Most importantly, we as parents should be able to spot some talents(sports or/and academic) in our children and nurture them early. Perhaps they can have a niche when choosing their choice Sec. through DSA when their times come. It seems like getting a place in popular Sec. is easier through DSA than PSLE with high COP.

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Postby metz » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:20 pm

kiasulang wrote:Most importantly, we as parents should be able to spot some talents(sports or/and academic) in our children and nurture them early. Perhaps they can have a niche when choosing their choice Sec. through DSA when their times come. It seems like getting a place in popular Sec. is easier through DSA than PSLE with high COP.


Wouldn't that lead parents to push their kids even harder regardless if the kids have such talents?
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Postby Jenn » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:47 am

For children who are strong in Math and/or science and weak in the languages, getting into these schools through the DSA route is the only way as it will be very difficult for them to attain PSLE scores higher than 260+, the PSLE COP of these schools.

However, getting in thru DSA may not be easier. There are many students who scored 260+ or 270+ in PSLE and did not even make it thru the first round of NUSH DSA. HCI invites SMOP gold and silver awardees to their DSA but many do not get a place.

There is a stronger chance for GEP students to get into these schools thru DSA. 85% of GEP students got into their secondary school thru DSA. When a GEP student goes for DSA, he is typically exempted from all tests and goes straight to the interview/final round.

I think students chosing to go sports school and SOTA faces immerse pressure from parents and peers if they are also academically inclinded. For NUSH, it is a easier choice as the subjects they specialised in is also seen as academic.

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Postby kiasulang » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:48 pm

chamonix wrote:
kiasulang wrote:Most importantly, we as parents should be able to spot some talents(sports or/and academic) in our children and nurture them early. Perhaps they can have a niche when choosing their choice Sec. through DSA when their times come. It seems like getting a place in popular Sec. is easier through DSA than PSLE with high COP.


Wouldn't that lead parents to push their kids even harder regardless if the kids have such talents?


I'm sure there will be such cases. Even GEP has students take up pre-GEP classes in order to enhance their chances when GEP branch has advised parents not to send their kids for such classes. Likewise in sports, parents send their children to various sports training in the hope of discovering their children's "hidden" talent. Irregardless, whether their children are talented or moulded, the benefit of through train is simply too great to be ignored.

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Postby metz » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:27 pm

kiasulang wrote:Irregardless, whether their children are talented or moulded, the benefit of through train is simply too great to be ignored.


I'm not sure so about the benefits from such training. But I am certainly feeling the heat of stress and pressure that some young kids have to go through. For music, some parents are already aiming and pushing for their kids to complete their diplomas by P5 or P6.
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Postby EN » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:44 am

chamonix wrote
I'm not sure so about the benefits from such training. But I am certainly feeling the heat of stress and pressure that some young kids have to go through. For music, some parents are already aiming and pushing for their kids to complete their diplomas by P5 or P6.


If the child happily goes to the training, without screaming or dragging their feet with no interference needed from parents, I'm sure such training are beneficial. If the child are really into what they are doing, they will do it every day without anybody telling them to. It's the joy they derive from what they are doing. The child has internally build a goal of what they have set to do.

The only issue will be interfering parents whom instead of encouraging the child talent, started pushing for more. Parents themselves will know when to stop but still continue to push even though they can see that their child is no longer happy.

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Postby kiasulang » Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:13 pm

chamonix wrote:
kiasulang wrote:Irregardless, whether their children are talented or moulded, the benefit of through train is simply too great to be ignored.


I'm not sure so about the benefits from such training. But I am certainly feeling the heat of stress and pressure that some young kids have to go through. For music, some parents are already aiming and pushing for their kids to complete their diplomas by P5 or P6.


Pri school students who perform well in sports during Inter-primary schools and National Age group level has very high chance of being offered in popular Sec. other than SSS. The choice school will accept them as long as they qualify for express stream with their PSLE T-scores.

Most of the time, students do not meet the high COP because of their MT. You can have A*Math, A*Science, A*English but A for MT and score only 257. This is less than the COP of 263+. Through DSA, you get to go to your choice school and the school gets your talent.

However,are these students with lower COP able to compete with their peers who have admitted using PSLE T-scores, and at the same time have to fulfill their bargains through DSA?

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Postby kiasulang » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:17 pm

Hi EN

Neither did I realize my elder son's gift myself nor my family members. We thought he was just active and talkative. His gift was discovered by his principal of his CC. She thought that my son might be gifted and asked whether do we want to have him assessed. We agreed and followed her recommendation.

My son used to fall sick almost every month, so we let him swim when he was 4+ once a week. He picked up all 4 strokes very fast. His coach recommended him to join competitive swimming. Now his pet strokes are Breast and Butterfly.

There are swimming competitions held all year round here.

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