Q&A - P5 English

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Re: Q&A - P5 English

Post by joeyphay » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:08 pm

Answer is no. 1 from my darling girl.

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Re: Q&A - P5 English

Post by Sun_2010 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:37 am

SOS mum wrote:Ps help. Many tks and God Bless:)

"I dreamt that I was given a hamster for my birthday!" exclaimed Maria.

Maria exclaimed that she had dreamt that she had been given a hamster for her birthday or

Maria exclaimed that she had dreamt that she was given a hamster for her birthday.
Not sure , but my take would be
Maria exclaimed that she dreamt that she had been given a hamster for her birthday.

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Re: Q&A - P5 English

Post by Joy of Learning 111 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:58 pm

SOS mum wrote:Ps help. Many tks and God Bless:)

"I dreamt that I was given a hamster for my birthday!" exclaimed Maria.

Maria exclaimed that she had dreamt that she had been given a hamster for her birthday or

Maria exclaimed that she had dreamt that she was given a hamster for her birthday.
The local primary school teachers will expect option 1.

We do not always backshift the subsequent verbs, but this goes beyond the primary syllabus. For example:

Maria said, ‘I dreamt about wonderful things when I was three.’

We would rewrite this as:

Maria said that she had dreamt about wonderful things when she was three.

Not:

Maria said that she had dreamt about wonderful things when she had been three.

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Re: Q&A - P5 English

Post by Sun_2010 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 4:59 pm

John asked sister if she had written her report for school the next day

The answer
John asked his sister,"Did you write your report for school tomorrow?"

Is the below wrong , if so , why?
John asked his sister, "Have you written your report for school tomorrow?"

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Re: Q&A - P5 English

Post by Joy of Learning 111 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:11 pm

Sun_2010 wrote:John asked sister if she had written her report for school the next day

The answer
John asked his sister,"Did you write your report for school tomorrow?"

Is the below wrong , if so , why?
John asked his sister, "Have you written your report for school tomorrow?"
It's perfectly fine.

The answers in assessment books and on answer sheets given to teachers often do not show alternative ways of expressing. I am sure you are aware of this phenomenon already.


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Re: Q&A - P5 English

Post by SOS mum » Mon Oct 19, 2015 8:05 pm

Joy of Learning 111 wrote:
SOS mum wrote:Ps help. Many tks and God Bless:)

"I dreamt that I was given a hamster for my birthday!" exclaimed Maria.

Maria exclaimed that she had dreamt that she had been given a hamster for her birthday or

Maria exclaimed that she had dreamt that she was given a hamster for her birthday.
The local primary school teachers will expect option 1.

We do not always backshift the subsequent verbs, but this goes beyond the primary syllabus. For example:

Maria said, ‘I dreamt about wonderful things when I was three.’

We would rewrite this as:

Maria said that she had dreamt about wonderful things when she was three.

Not:

Maria said that she had dreamt about wonderful things when she had been three.
yes, joy of learning

son's teacher had same stand as u. Son's was just following the rules of backshifting the verbs and it was marked wrong. Kids and even myself get confused over such rules..how to explain to them in such situation?

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Re: Q&A - P5 English

Post by Joy of Learning 111 » Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:30 pm

SOS mum wrote:yes, joy of learning

son's teacher had same stand as u. Son's was just following the rules of backshifting the verbs and it was marked wrong. Kids and even myself get confused over such rules..how to explain to them in such situation?
It’s not easy. In the following, I have condensed what I consider to be the main rules as to when we don’t backshift at the primary level:

1. The speech verb is in the present tense:
Direct: The teacher says, ‘You will enjoy backshifting verbs.’
Indirect: The teacher says that I will enjoy backshifting verbs.

2. There is a general truth:
Direct: The teacher said, ‘The Earth revolves around the Sun.’
Indirect: The teacher said that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

3. There is a situation or condition that continues to be true then backshifting is optional:
Direct: The new girl said, ‘My name is Hermione.’
Indirect: The new girl said that her name is/was Hermione.

4. The verbs are already in the past perfect or are the modals could, should, would or might:
Direct: Mother said, ‘We had gone to the shopping mall.’
Indirect: Mother said that they had gone to the shopping mall.
Direct: Mother said, ‘We could eat spaghetti.’
Indirect: Mother said that we could eat spaghetti.

5. Change the finite verb, not the infinitive:
Direct: Peter said, ‘I have forgotten to bring my homework.’
Indirect: Peter said that he had forgotten to bring his homework.

6. Change both verbs in a compound sentence:
Direct: Peter said, ‘I like blue pens but hate pink ones.’
Indirect: Peter said that he liked blue pens but hated pink ones.

7. Change the verb in the relative clause but do not change the verb in the main clause if it is an infinitive:

a). Change the relative clause, not main clause (‘point’ is infinitive):
Direct: The teacher said to Annabelle, ‘Please point out the boy whom you saw spill water on the floor.’
Indirect: The teacher asked Annabelle to point out the boy whom she had seen spill water on the floor.

b). Change the relative clause and change the main clause:
Direct: Peter said to Annabelle, ’We must buy the new stationery that we saw yesterday.’
Indirect: Peter said to Annabelle that they had to buy the new stationery that they had seen the previous day.

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Re: Q&A - P5 English

Post by SOS mum » Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:50 pm

Many tks. Joy of Learning :rahrah:

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Re: Q&A - P5 English

Post by SOS mum » Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:26 pm

Hi,

Joy of Learning base on your question earlier,

Direct: Peter said to Annabelle,'We must buy the new stationery that we saw yesterday.'
Indirect: Peter said to Annabelle that they had to buy the new stationery that they had seen the previous day.
If son put in told instead of said is it fine?

Please help the following questions.Many thanks and God bless.

Despite the heavy rain, Yen Yen went horse riding.
Son wrote:
Yen Yen went horse riding although it was raining heavily.
Answer: Yen Yen went horse riding although there was a heavy rain.
Is my son's answer acceptable?

They are going to perform Beethoven's Fifth Symphony next weekend.
Son wrote:
Beethoven's Fifth Symphony is going to be performed by them next weekend.
Answer: Beethoven's Fifth Symphony is going to be performed next weekend.
Is my son's answer acceptable?

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Re: Q&A - P5 English

Post by Joy of Learning 111 » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:42 pm

SOS mum wrote:Direct: Peter said to Annabelle,'We must buy the new stationery that we saw yesterday.'
Indirect: Peter said to Annabelle that they had to buy the new stationery that they had seen the previous day.
If son put in told instead of said is it fine?
Yes, ‘told’ is fine. It’s probably better in the sense that local teachers will more commonly expect it.
SOS mum wrote:Despite the heavy rain, Yen Yen went horse riding.
Son wrote:
Yen Yen went horse riding although it was raining heavily.
Answer: Yen Yen went horse riding although there was a heavy rain.
Is my son's answer acceptable?
Yes.
SOS mum wrote:They are going to perform Beethoven's Fifth Symphony next weekend.
Son wrote:
Beethoven's Fifth Symphony is going to be performed by them next weekend.
Answer: Beethoven's Fifth Symphony is going to be performed next weekend.
Is my son's answer acceptable?
Yes. In fact, I think your son’s answer is better. Although the doer of the action can be left out, at least in some cases, my understanding is that, at primary level, students are asked not to leave the doer out.

Your son's command of English seems pretty good. If you care to send me via pm a copy of one of his compositions, I would be happy to give you some general advice as to his writing standard, simply because I am a nice person.

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