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GEP screening test? Go or no Go

Poll ended at Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:26 pm

Must Go
7
35%
Can Try
11
55%
Don't Go
2
10%
 
Total votes : 20

Postby syshi » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:34 pm

jtoh wrote:
syshi wrote:To all GEP Veteran Parents, need clarification for the summary from my conversation from other parents after 1 yr of GEP (disclaimer: based on same class same school):
1. To survive in GEP need to go for external tuition, Learning Lab highly recommended even by the teacher. Else you won't be able to catch up as in school do not really guide them
2. Need to self learn at least up till P6 or Sec level material else you won't catch up.

Also for P5 projects, they're asked to choose between DI, IVP and IRS. But for DI, only limited to 7 children as was told that based on GE branch MOE direction that need to allocate more students for IRS. Understand from www.idodi.org website, actually there is no limit in no. Of team/participant..

Maybe can help to share and enlighten me?

Thanks..
Confused P4 GEP Parent


In reply to your questions 1 & 2, the answer is NOT TRUE. In fact, the GEP teachers told them NOT to go to Learning Lab. The GEP teachers give a lot of notes and if you pay attention in class, take notes and brainstorm with your friends, you should do fine. If in doubt, seek out the teacher after class.

Not sure about DI, but it's probably a school decision because they may not have enough teachers to guide the students.


Thanks... The teacher actually mentioned that there are GEP teacher giving tuition outside with rate of SGD150~200 per hour.
Was being 'frighten' by the 'friendly advised' by teacher especially in P3 DS was getting best in level and subject but now outbid 5 subjects, only 2 above 80 and the other 3 not below 70.... Find that 'friendly advise' quite demoralizing...

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Postby MOE Hater » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:38 pm

syshi wrote:
jtoh wrote:
syshi wrote:To all GEP Veteran Parents, need clarification for the summary from my conversation from other parents after 1 yr of GEP (disclaimer: based on same class same school):
1. To survive in GEP need to go for external tuition, Learning Lab highly recommended even by the teacher. Else you won't be able to catch up as in school do not really guide them
2. Need to self learn at least up till P6 or Sec level material else you won't catch up.

Also for P5 projects, they're asked to choose between DI, IVP and IRS. But for DI, only limited to 7 children as was told that based on GE branch MOE direction that need to allocate more students for IRS. Understand from www.idodi.org website, actually there is no limit in no. Of team/participant..

Maybe can help to share and enlighten me?

Thanks..
Confused P4 GEP Parent


In reply to your questions 1 & 2, the answer is NOT TRUE. In fact, the GEP teachers told them NOT to go to Learning Lab. The GEP teachers give a lot of notes and if you pay attention in class, take notes and brainstorm with your friends, you should do fine. If in doubt, seek out the teacher after class.

Not sure about DI, but it's probably a school decision because they may not have enough teachers to guide the students.


Thanks... The teacher actually mentioned that there are GEP teacher giving tuition outside with rate of SGD150~200 per hour.
Was being 'frighten' by the 'friendly advised' by teacher especially in P3 DS was getting best in level and subject but now outbid 5 subjects, only 2 above 80 and the other 3 not below 70.... Find that 'friendly advise' quite demoralizing...


That's daylight robbery :shock:

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Postby syshi » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:40 pm

TwaTau wrote:
syshi wrote:To all GEP Veteran Parents, need clarification for the summary from my conversation from other parents after 1 yr of GEP (disclaimer: based on same class same school):
1. To survive in GEP need to go for external tuition, Learning Lab highly recommended even by the teacher. Else you won't be able to catch up as in school do not really guide them
2. Need to self learn at least up till P6 or Sec level material else you won't catch up.

Also for P5 projects, they're asked to choose between DI, IVP and IRS. But for DI, only limited to 7 children as was told that based on GE branch MOE direction that need to allocate more students for IRS. Understand from www.idodi.org website, actually there is no limit in no. Of team/participant..

Maybe can help to share and enlighten me?

Thanks..
Confused P4 GEP Parent

Hey, good to hear from you again. I will try to answer your questions from my own perspective, however it maybe on the extreme end of bochapness:
1. My DS survived 2 years of GEP, and still not a single tuition on any subject. There is so much the school is providing and so much to do, I don't see how is he going to cope with the extra tuition without compromising on other aspect of life. We just treat the GEP as enrichment class provided from the best education center in Singapore, MOE. Some of my DS classmates does attend TLL, was wondering where they get all their time from?
2. There is definitely alot of self learning on the part of the child, and this also brought about the independence of the child, and I see it as a learning process for the child, to be resourceful. SS is about the standard for Secondary school, for the history and founding father of Singapore. And during the recent passing on of Goh Keng Swee, DS was able to relate while watching the memorial, his contributions. This is important to remind our children on our short history. And the maths, I guess from your pass year of "torture", it really stretch the child and I am sure you also learn from it as well.


Thanks for the encouragement. Especially with all the confusing advices given either from other parents or teacher which point the same direction--> TLL
Actually if read the comment posted here, mostly due to the materials given for practices are more in term of number and more advanced compare to what school going to teach... Correct me if I'm wrong...

Glad can clarify..

Anyway, this type of teacher should not be suitable teaching GEP or even be a teacher at all...

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Postby syshi » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:45 pm

MOE Hater wrote: advise' quite demoralizing...

That's daylight robbery :shock:


The perceptions that you spend now and if you can continue GEP to Sec, you won't have to pay school fee up to JC. Heard Hwa Chong's monthly school fee is SGD300 per month...

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Postby blur-daddy » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:25 pm

syshi wrote:Thanks... The teacher actually mentioned that there are GEP teacher giving tuition outside with rate of SGD150~200 per hour.
Was being 'frighten' by the 'friendly advised' by teacher especially in P3 DS was getting best in level and subject but now outbid 5 subjects, only 2 above 80 and the other 3 not below 70.... Find that 'friendly advise' quite demoralizing...


I'm surprise to hear this... such 'friendly advice' by teacher really go against what I heard and see so far with regards to GE program... hmmm... Maybe I'm the bochap type... but the school work already stretch the kids, and we should balance off with other activities like CCAs etc., and not add on to the workload.

As for the drop in marks, this is kind of expected right? You should get the CA result that state the highest, lowest, and average score for each subject... From there, you can gauge where your kid fair with respect to the overall performance of the class... and then, you can start panic...

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Postby SullyM » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:28 pm

SIGH.... DS did not receive any envelope fr sch today... MOE said results given to sch since last Thu. looks like someone is sitting on the results in sch. :x
lets see what the sch says tom. get or dont get selected, still have to let parents know ma.

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Postby cluelessmom » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:35 pm

TwaTau wrote:
syshi wrote:To all GEP Veteran Parents, need clarification for the summary from my conversation from other parents after 1 yr of GEP (disclaimer: based on same class same school):
1. To survive in GEP need to go for external tuition, Learning Lab highly recommended even by the teacher. Else you won't be able to catch up as in school do not really guide them
2. Need to self learn at least up till P6 or Sec level material else you won't catch up.

Also for P5 projects, they're asked to choose between DI, IVP and IRS. But for DI, only limited to 7 children as was told that based on GE branch MOE direction that need to allocate more students for IRS. Understand from www.idodi.org website, actually there is no limit in no. Of team/participant..

Maybe can help to share and enlighten me?

Thanks..
Confused P4 GEP Parent

Hey, good to hear from you again. I will try to answer your questions from my own perspective, however it maybe on the extreme end of bochapness:
1. My DS survived 2 years of GEP, and still not a single tuition on any subject. There is so much the school is providing and so much to do, I don't see how is he going to cope with the extra tuition without compromising on other aspect of life. We just treat the GEP as enrichment class provided from the best education center in Singapore, MOE. Some of my DS classmates does attend TLL, was wondering where they get all their time from?
2. There is definitely alot of self learning on the part of the child, and this also brought about the independence of the child, and I see it as a learning process for the child, to be resourceful. SS is about the standard for Secondary school, for the history and founding father of Singapore. And during the recent passing on of Goh Keng Swee, DS was able to relate while watching the memorial, his contributions. This is important to remind our children on our short history. And the maths, I guess from your pass year of "torture", it really stretch the child and I am sure you also learn from it as well.


Hi,
In reply to question 1, I dun agree, "survival" is not an issue with most of the GEP students. Think is how well you expect them to perform. For my dd, she did well enough to be top 3 in her P4 class last year without any tuition except for Chinese enrichment class and honestly I was taken aback cuz I was expecting her to be at the middle percentile. Although I do still have my moments of doubts on whether she should be having external tuition, as being a kiasu member, there's a "peer" pressure for her to better her results but to quote TwaTau, I also don't see how is she going to cope with the extra tuition without compromising on other aspect of life. Actually, more like my lifestyle wld be severely compromised with all the ferrying. :wink: Hahaha... but most of her frds do have external tuition including the top scorer of her cohort( yea also from LL) and I do sometimes wonder if she might strangely be catapulted to be one of the top scorer also if she had all these tuitions from the start. But to answer ur question, I dun think external tuition is needed to survive and even above average if the kids are coping well enough. They may not be closely guided but I think the GEP teachers are always ready to help the child if there's a need. As I am unable to teach my dd on her Maths problems, she has always approached her Maths teacher for guidance on her problems when she is doing her last min revision on her tests or exams.
This yr P5, she's doing averagely above 80s for all subjects except Chinese for SA2..... not top 3 in her class tis yr though I am sure but she was able to catch up and survive w/o external tuition so far..... (ok if u dun consider Chinese lah) Sometimes, we must learn to trust our kids...... I am still learning.... :lol:

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Postby syshi » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:47 pm

blur-daddy wrote:
syshi wrote:Thanks... The teacher actually mentioned that there are GEP teacher giving tuition outside with rate of SGD150~200 per hour.
Was being 'frighten' by the 'friendly advised' by teacher especially in P3 DS was getting best in level and subject but now outbid 5 subjects, only 2 above 80 and the other 3 not below 70.... Find that 'friendly advise' quite demoralizing...


I'm surprise to hear this... such 'friendly advice' by teacher really go against what I heard and see so far with regards to GE program... hmmm... Maybe I'm the bochap type... but the school work already stretch the kids, and we should balance off with other activities like CCAs etc., and not add on to the workload.

As for the drop in marks, this is kind of expected right? You should get the CA result that state the highest, lowest, and average score for each subject... From there, you can gauge where your kid fair with respect to the overall performance of the class... and then, you can start panic...


That's also my idea... DS still within average... Till get 'frighten'.. Even to the extend telling us that DS should not take Higher Chinese, or with the English result he got, DS will not survive P5, blah.. blah..

As for CCA, when we went in, we were told that CCA is compulsory... When CCA schedule out, all crashed with GEP schedule, all sports/uniform CCA full already and the only available CCA available either Choir, Chinese orchestra

BTW, we did not offend the teachers, if anyone wondering...

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Postby jtoh » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:51 pm

syshi wrote:
Thanks... The teacher actually mentioned that there are GEP teacher giving tuition outside with rate of SGD150~200 per hour.
Was being 'frighten' by the 'friendly advised' by teacher especially in P3 DS was getting best in level and subject but now outbid 5 subjects, only 2 above 80 and the other 3 not below 70.... Find that 'friendly advise' quite demoralizing...


You have to remember that the standard in GEP is a lot higher than mainstream. Your son's teachers would probably have told him and you that to score >80% is considered very good in GEP. Furthermore some of the brightest P4 students are in your son's class. Reassure him that it's alright not to top the class. If your son is consistently scoring below baseline in a certain subject then you may want to consider tuition for that subject to build up his foundation.

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Postby vlim » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:57 pm

But isn't it the gep school responsibility to hold remedial or supplementary class for geppers that under perform? How can they just dump them to tuition centre. Not all family can afford their kids to branded tuition centre..
My ds school does hold such lessons for geppers who are pretty weak in some particular subjects .

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