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Re: All About GEP

Postby verykiasu2010 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:33 am

Nebbermind wrote:
atutor2001 wrote: IP is more slack than normal O level. They teach by modules so kids learn and forget after each test. Come JC, they have forgotten how to take exam where all topics are tested at the same time as they have spent the last 4 years having tests by topics format.

As to project works, it is a joke. The only good is that it exposes to them the ugliness of human kind because there are many who leeched on others in the project team but will still get the same A.


A valid explanation. I guess every system has its own merits and it's up to us to choose wisely.


every JC offers project work as part of the A level curriculum. it has got nothing to do with being IP or not. Leeches exist every where, IP and non-IP
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Re: All About GEP

Postby atutor2001 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 6:46 am

Sometimes I am not sure whether to laugh or to cry at our narrow mindedness. For example, some would take project works to mean only PW of JC.

IP starts at secondary level and they do have project works (literary) which are considered a subject (can't remember if it is called RS in some school). I don't remember there is such thing in O level.

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Re: All About GEP

Postby verykiasu2010 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:33 am

atutor2001 wrote:Sometimes I am not sure whether to laugh or to cry at our narrow mindedness. For example, some would take project works to mean only PW of JC.

IP starts at secondary level and they do have project works (literary) which are considered a subject (can't remember if it is called RS in some school). I don't remember there is such thing in O level.


project work as a part of a subject in a certain topic is not restricted to secondary school, it exists in pri school too, it is not a separate subject in itself. it is nothing exclusive to IP school

only in JC is PW a separate gradeable subject by itself, and all JCs offer it, nothing exclusive to IP too

from sec 1, there is a "subject" called 'research education' which is gradeable but not part of the GPA computation, and this is not the same as project work

is there literally a literary project work in IP / JC ? merchant of singapore instead of merchant of venice ?
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Re: All About GEP

Postby jtoh » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:56 am

atutor2001 wrote:Sometimes I am not sure whether to laugh or to cry at our narrow mindedness. For example, some would take project works to mean only PW of JC.

IP starts at secondary level and they do have project works (literary) which are considered a subject (can't remember if it is called RS in some school). I don't remember there is such thing in O level.


Lots of non-IP schools also have Research Studies these days, especially the better ones. It's even moved down to upper primary for some schools.

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Re: All About GEP

Postby verykiasu2010 » Wed Aug 08, 2012 9:30 am

jtoh wrote:
atutor2001 wrote:Sometimes I am not sure whether to laugh or to cry at our narrow mindedness. For example, some would take project works to mean only PW of JC.

IP starts at secondary level and they do have project works (literary) which are considered a subject (can't remember if it is called RS in some school). I don't remember there is such thing in O level.


Lots of non-IP schools also have Research Studies these days, especially the better ones. It's even moved down to upper primary for some schools.


aiya, some people are just narrow mindedness ......
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Re: All About GEP

Postby ForumWriter » Thu Aug 09, 2012 12:01 am

I don't actually know what to say when you say "their A level results speak for themselves", verykiasu. Just conduct an interview with any one of the school authorities (principal/dean/head) and they will tell you frankly that the academic standard has been dropping year after year (somehow they are more open to ex-students than current students). It is only grade inflation across the board which is propping the results up.

I'd say the CCA hours reduction is correlated with the advent of DSA and IP - the only recent major change apart from the switch to the H-syllabus. But I'd like to point out a disclaimer here: Correlation does not imply causation. Still, it is startling that even the principal doesn't know what's going on in her school when interviewed.

Nope, the CCA thing isn't an oath of secrecy. It's more like they only tell certain student leaders so there are rumours going on everywhere, but there isn't any official announcement. And the principal, when interviewed, expressed surprise that this was going on and said she would check with her heads of departments.

About the project work leeching part, I don't think that being leeched is necessarily bad. This will definitely happen in the outside world, so learning how to deal with it is important.

Philosophy in my year was simply retarded (or at least, the way they conduct it is). There were only 2 main exams and only 30% of the level passed the first exam. Then, the school authorities suddenly realised that it was a mandatory requirement to pass Philosophy to get promoted to the next level. Needless to say, almost everyone scored full marks for the second exam.

Research studies also appears to be a useless subject. GEP students have IRS, OM et cetera in primary school. Then there are Research Studies in secondary school for 4 years. But Meridian JC could still get the highest percentage of As for PW in one year. I think we can safely say that most in MJC did research only in JC. Three possible conclusions, your pick: Either Research Studies is a waste of time, or students from the top JCs are useless at PW no matter how much research experience they have, or PW is marked unfairly and should be removed from the official grading system.

To reiterate, I am strongly for a strict but not necessarily difficult yearly test for students in the IP, which they have to pass to be promoted. The current standard is way too low. Even coming from such a programme, I still feel that the O-level top scorers have the short end of the stick when they strive harder, but lose out on places to IP slackers who don't need to excel in their exams, but just need to pass. Same reason why I am against DSA. Oh, and foreign "scholars" who enter in upper secondary - there is literally a quota for foreign "scholars", which local students aren't allowed to fill. Entry should be based on merit only; after all, isn't this the best exemplification of the true spirit of meritocracy?

The GEP already had enriched curriculum, extra programmes, external modules and study trips. In fact, to me, the IP offers less exposure than the GEP. However, taken in a broader perspective, the IP probably benefits more students since it caters to a larger crowd. But some (if not most) IP students struggle with GEP stuff, so the standard has to be lowered. Simply put, I don't believe GEP students should be made to slow down for others in the IP to catch up. As this is the GEP forum... I'm strongly inclined towards the GEP.

And I think verykiasu is still missing the main point of my previous reply - Negative opinions about the IP are covered up, that's why you don't see them around. Just ask any ex-GEP student if he prefers GEP or IP! <--- Massive digression detected, that's to link it back to the GEP thread

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Re: All About GEP

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Re: All About GEP

Postby Construction Worker » Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:46 pm

Wah lao yeh! The video damn no standard man.

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Re: All About GEP

Postby Herbie » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:56 pm

To get the eeis scholarship, is there a minimum psle score tag to it?W

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Re: All About GEP

Postby jtoh » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:03 pm

Herbie wrote:To get the eeis scholarship, is there a minimum psle score tag to it?W


No minimum score. But must have been promoted to secondary GEP status and passed SS.

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