Can teaching P2 and P4 in the same class work?

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Can teaching P2 and P4 in the same class work?

Postby cakesarenice » Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:06 pm

I'm curious. I hear my friends talking about wanting to try their kids at centres which teach say, P2s and P4s in the same class! Will it work? One of centres which is doing this has lessons that last only 1 h. I'm just imagining that when the tutor is teaching the P2s, the P4s have to do their own work..... then when tutors are teaching the P4s, the P2s are doing their own work. If the P2s have questions, they can't ask as the teacher is teaching and by the time they can ask, it's time's up.

Perhaps, the person who came up with this idea of a centre is not a trained teacher/have no kids and think that it's an ideal world where kids just sit quietly to do assessment papers. Any views if such an arrangement will be effective?

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Re: Can teaching P2 and P4 in the same class work?

Postby TheAnswer » Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:19 pm

Personally I won't put my son there. Neither will I advise anyone to put their kids there.

No kid can sit quietly in a classroom full of other kids and still do their work quietly.

I think such centers are only out to make money. In tuition centers, kids are already sharing the tutor's attention.

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Re: Can teaching P2 and P4 in the same class work?

Postby TheAnswer » Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:22 pm

I am a tutor myself. I know it isn't easy to manage a class of students even if they are of the same level. To manage 2 levels at one go. No way.

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Re: Can teaching P2 and P4 in the same class work?

Postby cakesarenice » Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:30 pm

TheAnswer wrote:Personally I won't put my son there. Neither will I advise anyone to put their kids there.

No kid can sit quietly in a classroom full of other kids and still do their work quietly.

I think such centers are only out to make money. In tuition centers, kids are already sharing the tutor's attention.


Thanks for your reply. Precisely. My sentiments exactly. How can such centres still talk people into signing up with them? I told my friends that 1.5 hours is the minimum. Anything less maybe is for K1/K2/P1. How can it be 1 hour 10 mins for P2 or worst, P4? :shrug: And to put kids from different levels together is a recipe for disaster no matter how expert the teacher is. And the centre's teacher is not even an ex-school teacher!

To think that they are opening up franchises and duping ignorant parents of their money.

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Re: Can teaching P2 and P4 in the same class work?

Postby jedamum » Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:34 pm

Kumon style? What kind of teaching style? Or they rely on worksheets self study like kumon?

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Re: Can teaching P2 and P4 in the same class work?

Postby magiccastle » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:47 pm

I have come across tutition where the tutor teaches math from k2 to sec 4 all under 1 roof . The fee is cheap . One n half hr is only $15 -20.
She will move around and show an eg to teach the child n then ask her to do the rest of the qns from the book . If have problem , queue to ask her . Otherwise , she will move back later to check if the kid has finished. For younger kids where the mum can also teach , she will explain to the mum and ask her to coach n make sure the homework is completed . She will teach in small group of 3 to 4 if the kid just started the tuition with her n ask her to come 2 times a week to drill n push .
For naughty kids that dont do n pay attention ,she will scold n complain to their mothers to push the children to do the work if they want to improve . Otherwise , she will ask the students to go. Her method n fee make it affordable to students who want to learn n mummies did not spend a bomb .

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Re: Can teaching P2 and P4 in the same class work?

Postby ammonite » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:52 pm

Have seen a maths tutor having kids from secondary school to JC in his living room across three tables. Basically the kids go there to do their homework, any questions ask him. It was a serious environment and most of the kids were motivated and from good schools. I can't remember the fees but it wasn't cheap because he was very respected.

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Re: Can teaching P2 and P4 in the same class work?

Postby magiccastle » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:09 pm

For this tutor I mentioned , she takes in students from good to neighbor schools. Indeed , she only has sec4 qualification but she has a flair n passion for math. I will say not all are suitable under her method. But indeed she did help out a lot of students who have a thin budget . It's a win win situation .

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Re: Can teaching P2 and P4 in the same class work?

Postby iFirefly » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:25 pm

It IS possible.. Why not? An experienced tutor would certainly know how to do it, and do it all right.. :smile:

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Re: Can teaching P2 and P4 in the same class work?

Postby slmkhoo » Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:10 am

firefly38 wrote:It IS possible.. Why not? An experienced tutor would certainly know how to do it, and do it all right.. :smile:

This is similar to the 'one-room schoolhouse' in small communities where there aren't enough students and teachers to divide up into separate classrooms (think of "Little House on the Prairie" if you can remember it!). Homeschooling more than 1 child is the same. It is possible for it to work, and if cost is a consideration, it's not a bad way. A lot depends on the ability of the teacher to organise the work and maintain discipline, and it also helps students be more self-disciplined. Of course, if the intention is to have the teacher focus entirely on 1 child or 1 level throughout the session, then it's not suitable. For tuition, I would probably want more individual attention for my child, otherwise I might as well keep them at home.

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