Creative Writing be it English or chinese

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Creative Writing be it English or chinese

Postby jojo » Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:39 am

My dd, can read alot of words both english and chinese and i realised she doesnt know how to apply it to her work.

Can you tell me what is her problem? she will write compo without any puncation, which all these already thought her in school. Do you think this is passing phases, am i too "kangchong"

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Re: Creative Writing be it English or chinese

Postby tamarind » Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:15 am

jojo wrote:My dd, can read alot of words both english and chinese and i realised she doesnt know how to apply it to her work.

Can you tell me what is her problem? she will write compo without any puncation, which all these already thought her in school. Do you think this is passing phases, am i too "kangchong"


jojo,
If a child has read many books, in both English and Chinese, she should be able to write sentences easily, and she should be able to tell whether the sentence structure is correct or not.

However, knowing many words in English and Chinese is not the same as reading many books. My estimation is that a child must have read at least 30 books, each book should have a word count of at least 30000 words. Examples are Charlotte's Web, The Lion, the witch and the wardrobe, Charlie and the chocolate Factory etc. To write well in Chinese, you need to read even more books than that.

Also, kids must read good books. Even if a child has read all the Beast Quest books and Rainbow Fairy books, he/she may still not be able to write well.

There are also many techniques of creative writing that can be taught, like reading through the composition and editing it, using the correct punctuation, all these require constant practice. However, reading extensively is the prerequisite to writing good compositions effortlessly.

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Postby Giggler1 » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:09 am

jojo, TAS doesnt help with her writing of compo?

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Postby Herbie » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:53 am

My son is already coming to 13 and he is a avid reader. He reads book Anthony Horowitz, Artemis Fowl, The Mysterious Benedict Society, Roald Dahl, Cynthia Kadohata and Adeline Yeh Mah's book etc..

However, he doesn't write well. Even his school teacher asked me why my son doesn't write well. So my conclusion is in writing reading does not translate into writing well. To be able to write well is a natural ability.. My son cannot link his reading to writing and i also do not know how to help him.

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Postby jojo » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:07 am

Giggler1 wrote:jojo, TAS doesnt help with her writing of compo?


Hi Giggler

My girl was weak in creative writing since P1. She was with the previous ctr for a year which covered Grammar & Comphre. In P2 SA2, she scored 52/60 for Gramm & Comphre which i thought that was good but her Compo was not that great. (FYI, P1 she scored 58/60 for the Gram & Comphr . P2 when she joined the previous ctr, I see no improvement since she was with the ctr for a year)

She is not creative and has no idea how to write.

I got to know TAS in Kiasu parent forum and TAS has generally has good feedbacks and reviews from a lot of parents.

Plus TAS covers Paper 1& 2 which is good; my girl just needs to attend 1 ctr and has free time for other stuff.

TAS asks kids to memorize phase, i believe this will somehow inject some ideas into her. At least, I can see some development for her creative writing. She is with TAS less than 2 mths, I guess at this point, is for her to get use to the class and for the teacher to know her weaknesses. TAS loan storybooks to their kids which i think that is great! Creative writing is not easy, I am glad to see no resistance from her. For my girl’s character, sometime she is quite dependant on us and she needs alot of guardian. She’s quite careless in her works and needs a lot of reminders.

In fact, i am happy with TAS teaching method and i believe in long run my girl will be benefited and able to think outside the box.

All kids are diff, my P1 girl seems like takes work more seriously than my elder girl, and my elder girl needs a push factor.

Hope my post doesn’t shaken your faith, as I am “kangchong” parent and always want to seek other parent’s view how they to guide their kids. Some of my colleague said I am too “kanchong” all these are part and parcel of bringing up kids. I am k&k parent (Kangchong and kiasu parent) hee hee hee .
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Postby jojo » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:19 am

Herbie wrote:My son is already coming to 13 and he is a avid reader. He reads book Anthony Horowitz, Artemis Fowl, The Mysterious Benedict Society, Roald Dahl, Cynthia Kadohata and Adeline Yeh Mah's book etc..

However, he doesn't write well. Even his school teacher asked me why my son doesn't write well. So my conclusion is in writing reading does not translate into writing well. To be able to write well is a natural ability.. My son cannot link his reading to writing and i also do not know how to help him.


Hi Harbie, Yes, you used the right word "link". For me is use the word "associate" what she has read to her writing:(

I am quite amazed whenever she scored full marks for her cloze passage, if she didnt read well i dont think she filled in the right words.

Creative writing, is a skill acquired creative and flow of thoughts.

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Postby 24hr-mum » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:21 pm

my girl loves to read, quite well, but not roald dahl standard yet. she is p3 now. she has been going compo classes since p1. not prob in grammar, vocab but some prob in compre n for compo she got 6/10 only last year. considered not gd right?

she does use creative phrases in her compo but somehow her content cant flow well. illogical.

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Postby Herbie » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:37 pm

So i think if 'input' in the form of reading cannot help in compo writing then perhaps 'input" in the form of memorising good phrases is really necessary to help them to building up the ability to write well.

I am not asking for a debate session, is just my tot.

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Postby tamarind » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:13 pm

Herbie wrote:My son is already coming to 13 and he is a avid reader. He reads book Anthony Horowitz, Artemis Fowl, The Mysterious Benedict Society, Roald Dahl, Cynthia Kadohata and Adeline Yeh Mah's book etc..

However, he doesn't write well. Even his school teacher asked me why my son doesn't write well. So my conclusion is in writing reading does not translate into writing well. To be able to write well is a natural ability.. My son cannot link his reading to writing and i also do not know how to help him.


I suppose it can be possible that a child who reads many books still cannot write well. But the fact is that you will not find a child who can write very well, but does not read any books other than school textbooks :wink:

Also, I think many kids only want to find out what happens next in the story, it is very likely that they skip words or lines as they read. Also, many kids may not be able to appreciate the writing styles of the great authors when they read the books. I have read education experts advising parents to read with your kids for as long as possible, so that you can teach your kids to really understand and appreciate what they are reading.

I guess some kids may be able to write well after reading 30 books, but other kids may need to read hundreds of books in order to write well. There are many important classics of children's literature that kids must read :
http://www.teachersfirst.com/100books.cfm

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Postby alng » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:53 pm

Hi,

Just to share my experience with my P5 girl and some of her classmates. I realise that reading helps to build up vocabulary and provide ideas for writing. However, to write well, the child needs to know the skills and structure of writing. For example, in a compo, there must be intro, issue, climax, conclusion, etc. In a compo, there must also be contrast, feelings, etc. The teachers are also looking for the detailed and the logic flow of events.

My girl's teachers have taught her how to write and she masters that skill for both languages. But since she does not enjoy reading, her vocabulary is limited. I send her to a English enrichment centre and her teacher teaches her all the beautiful phrases so her English vocabulary is taken care of. I am now worried for her Chinese vocabulary as she does not have Chinese tuition. :-( I just have to put in more work to help her to build up her Chinese vocabulary.

She has classmates who read widely (like 20 thick books per week) and love to write as they maintain a blog. But their compos grades may not good. The teachers commented that those classmates lost marks in the area of compo structure.

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