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Postby octopusmum » Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:27 pm

i am trying to decide between BC and TLL for my boy who will be in pri 4 next year. found this thread but getting more confused now....

if i sign up for bc, will go to their Toa Payoh branch cause that is where i stay. TLL is not that far , just a mrt stop away. for bc, they have breaks in june and dec holidays but no make up lessons. for TLL, they do not have breaks at all during the hols but they have make up lessons. actually, i prefer one with breaks cause it could be v tiring to ferry kids for all these enrichment classes, if u know what i mean...it is good to take a few weeks off....also, can go for longer vacation without worrying about missing lessons...

don't know which one to choose.... :? also, not sure which one is better for ds who needs help in almost all aspects of english ie grammar, vocab, essay writing, oral!

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Postby i3mum » Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:35 pm

Hi octopusmum,

Which enrichment centre is TLL?

octopusmum wrote:i am trying to decide between BC and TLL for my boy who will be in pri 4 next year. found this thread but getting more confused now....

if i sign up for bc, will go to their Toa Payoh branch cause that is where i stay. TLL is not that far , just a mrt stop away. for bc, they have breaks in june and dec holidays but no make up lessons. for TLL, they do not have breaks at all during the hols but they have make up lessons. actually, i prefer one with breaks cause it could be v tiring to ferry kids for all these enrichment classes, if u know what i mean...it is good to take a few weeks off....also, can go for longer vacation without worrying about missing lessons...

don't know which one to choose.... :? also, not sure which one is better for ds who needs help in almost all aspects of english ie grammar, vocab, essay writing, oral!

regards

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Postby vicki » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:00 am

TLL = The Learning Lab

Main branch at United Square.

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Postby octopusmum » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:39 am

yes, TLL is The Learning Lab..

from all the posts i read about these 2, bc seems to focus more on learning thru play? and TLL does not focus so much on that? bc seems to be less structured as some teachers do not mark the students' work...hmm i am a bit concerned about this ie how will the child improve if he does not know what mistakes he make?

as for TLL, most of my eldest son's classmates go for lessons there but according to him, not all their results are good, in fact some are worse than him (he doesn't go for any english enrichment). so i am not sure how good is TLL....

really difficult to choose, thinking of trying TLL for at least half a year , then switch him to bc if no improvement....sigh! so difficult to decide ....

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Postby joconde » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:45 am

octopusmum wrote:yes, TLL is The Learning Lab..

from all the posts i read about these 2, bc seems to focus more on learning thru play? and TLL does not focus so much on that? bc seems to be less structured as some teachers do not mark the students' work...hmm i am a bit concerned about this ie how will the child improve if he does not know what mistakes he make?

as for TLL, most of my eldest son's classmates go for lessons there but according to him, not all their results are good, in fact some are worse than him (he doesn't go for any english enrichment). so i am not sure how good is TLL....

really difficult to choose, thinking of trying TLL for at least half a year , then switch him to bc if no improvement....sigh! so difficult to decide ....


Hi,

I hope the info below will be helpful to you.

Both my kids (p1 & p6) started BC since the beginning of this yr.

For P6 : There's homework every week, mostly compo writing. Although the teacher doesn't grade his work, he does read through it and write some remarks on it. During lesson, the student's compo will be projected onto screen and the teacher will get everyone in the class to discuss or comment and spot the mistakes.

The students practise oral skills through role-play, one will be the student while the other will be the 'examiner' to grade his friend. The teacher provides them with a checklist and run thru' with them how an examiner uses the checklist to grade a student.

For the rest of the works, the teacher will go thru' the answers in class and students mark themselves.

There's a lot of group discussions and interactive activities that require the students to move around. Therefore the lessons seem less boring than typical classroom style.


For P1, no homework. All work is done in class. Usually there's no grade for the work, but only comments like "nice story", "well done", or a matrix with smiling/sad face, etc.

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Postby octopusmum » Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:58 pm

Hi joconde

thks for the sharing...

may i know r you happy with your kids' progress so far? did they show improvement in terms of results?

thks

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Postby joconde » Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:59 pm

octopusmum wrote:Hi joconde

thks for the sharing...

may i know r you happy with your kids' progress so far? did they show improvement in terms of results?

thks


Hi octopusmum,

For my P1 girl, it's difficult to tell since her sch has no exam. Anyway, she doesn't have much problem in English to begin with. I may stop her lesson next yr as she has cultivated a good reading habit which I feel is good enough. My girl enjoys the lessons thoroughly !

For my P6 son, there's an obvious improvement in his compo writing shortly after attending BC. Before that he was with a private tutor for a yr, English specialist group tuition. The tutor practised with them all components every week including compo writing, but it didn't help at all.

One thing I like about BC is the way they teach writing. They don't encourage too many 'big words' or 'cut & paste' catchy phrases. Instead, they focus on originality and story line, clean & clear writing style. You can browse thru' the sample student compo at their centres to see what I mean.

My son also commented that BC lessons are more interesting than the previous tuition class.

I'm still hesitating if I should continue with BC for Sec 1 next yr. So ex :(

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Postby octopusmum » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:23 pm

hi Joconde

thks! what about things like grammar, vocab, comprehension, oral? does BC focus on those? my son in pr 3 this year is weak in all of them. i am having a big headache now as to which to choose, as some parents feedback that bc is not good, as it does not focus on the academics even though lessons are fun but others like you feedback that bc is good.same for learning lab, am getting mixed reviews...geez, v difficult to choose leh...

actually have decided to go down to ll tomorrow to find out more, wanted to go to bc too but not sure if we have time for that...sigh!

btw, do u think bc caters to those who are already quite good rather than those who are v weak like my son?
thks

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Postby joconde » Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:14 am

It seems to me BC do very little on grammar and vocab. And now that you ask, I don't remember anything on Synthesis. But I may be wrong as I don't really scrutinize what they teach. I know they do cloze, comphre, oral and listening. However, I am not relying entirely on BC, I myself still revise with him regularly.

BC doesn't group the kids according to their grades. My son is also weak in Eng - scoring Bs or low As. He din mention anything about not able to follow the lesson.

No matter which language sch you choose, I'd advise your child to cultivate a good reading habit. Not only does it help in the grades, but it's also an important life skill which will benefit your child down the road.

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Postby octopusmum » Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:49 pm

HI Joconde

tks for the advice!

managed to drop by TLL today but no time to go to BC. will try to go down this weekend.

dh seems to prefer courses run by native teachers. he said ds can learn proper english from them. he is also doubtful whether TLL's way of teaching will work on ds ie by doing worksheet after worksheet, will ds benefit at all?

guess we will have to go down to bc and compare the 2
regards

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