2015 P1 Registration Exercise for 2016 In-Take

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Re: 2015 P1 Registration Exercise for 2016 In-Take

Post by phtthp » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:04 pm

mashy wrote: Leave of absence are for overseas Singaporeans who are registering their kids. They are simply reserving the places and will be applying for leave of absence after that. The kids will possibly not be studying in the school for a few years and even the entire 6 years. So there isn't a kid physically taking up the place, will it be still on hold or the school will open up the vacancy for others? I already know a few who are on this and some who are going to apply for it after they get a place. Just not sure how the school handles it.
leave of absence means u cannot touch that seat. It has been reserved for a certain child, until the child return to Singapore.

Example
Parents posted overseas for 2 years, work in a bank in China or Australia
The child supposed to start 2016 Primary 1.

Mother (old girl) applied for leave of absence, for 2 years.
Child only returned back Sg, in 2018.

During next 2 years (2016 and 2017) : child still overseas, with parents.
Nobody can touch her vacancy, for next 2 years, even though child physically absent from school.

So in her 2016 P1 class : there will be 29 pupils instead of 30, because she is absent.
No matter how long is the Transfer waitlist queue in her school, nobody can occupy her seat, because her mother (old girl) had applied for 2 years leave of absence.

If you look around your child's class & happen to spot the P1 class not fully occupied by 30 students, yet there is a long, long Transfer queue list for P1 in that school, u wondering why that vacancy not taken up by those who failed in balloting, it may be due to leave of absence.

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Re: 2015 P1 Registration Exercise for 2016 In-Take

Post by mashy » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:09 pm

phtthp wrote:
mashy wrote: Leave of absence are for overseas Singaporeans who are registering their kids. They are simply reserving the places and will be applying for leave of absence after that. The kids will possibly not be studying in the school for a few years and even the entire 6 years. So there isn't a kid physically taking up the place, will it be still on hold or the school will open up the vacancy for others? I already know a few who are on this and some who are going to apply for it after they get a place. Just not sure how the school handles it.
leave of absence means u cannot touch that seat. It has been reserved for a certain child, until the child return to Singapore.

Example
Parents posted overseas for 2 years, work in a bank in China or Australia
The child supposed to start 2016 Primary 1.

Mother (old girl) applied for leave of absence, for 2 years.
Child only returned back Sg, in 2018.

During next 2 years (2016 and 2017) : child still overseas, with parents.
Nobody can touch her vacancy, for next 2 years, even though child physically absent from school.

So in her 2016 P1 class : there will be 29 pupils instead of 30, because she is absent.
No matter how long is the Transfer waitlist queue in her school, nobody can occupy her seat, because her mother (old girl) had applied for 2 years leave of absence.
Oic. Thanks for clarifying. so those who worked for more than 6 years overseas, the space really wasted, esp if it is in a very popular school.

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Re: 2015 P1 Registration Exercise for 2016 In-Take

Post by phtthp » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:20 pm

mashy wrote: It's still a chance after all. Anyway, in 2a1, majority should be >2km, so chances are still very high. If ultimately the 101 applies, only 9 persons get balloted out. So it's still worth going, just that will need back up plans in place.

I wonder if there's anyone so lucky as to have 2 2a1 choices. Like being able to choose between aitong and Sngs, then they can easily move over to aitong to avoid balloting at 2a1.
Yes, this scenario (two 2A1 choices) is possible because :-
- this child's father may have studied in Ai Tong before last time, joined AT alumni,
or

- this child's mother may have studied in Ai Tong before, then subsequently transfered over to St Nicholas sometime, during P1 to P6.
This mother hold 2 report cards, kiasu a bit, paid $, joined both schools' alumni.

What happen is next Tues 2A1 : monitor situation
Between these 2 schools, whichever give the better opportunity without having to ballot, then enrol child into that school.

Suppose 2A1 SNGS need to ballot for SC outside 2 km, whereas AT no need :-
This parent has a choice.
Either Proceed to enrol directly straight into Ai tong (confirmed seat), or try balloting her luck at SNGS.

If fail to ballot at 2A1 SNGS : can still fall back (rely) upon Phase 2A2, to enrol kid at Ai Tong.
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Re: 2015 P1 Registration Exercise for 2016 In-Take

Post by qms » Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:07 pm

mashy wrote:Oic. Thanks for clarifying. so those who worked for more than 6 years overseas, the space really wasted, esp if it is in a very popular school.
Actually, if the parents don't plan to return to Singapore in the short term, they should not apply for a place in a school in Singapore during the annual P1 registration for their child. They should write to MOE with proof of overseas work assignment(s) as well as documents to certify that the child will be receiving education overseas. This is MOE's recommended course of action for such cases.

All they need to do is to write to MOE again if they decide to come back to Singapore. MOE will help the child find a place in a school here.

Meanwhile, if the parents want to expose their child to the school environment here, he or she may join in the immersion program meant for overseas Singaporeans. The child is able to attend lessons for a period of two weeks to a month in a local school just like any other kids here.

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Re: 2015 P1 Registration Exercise for 2016 In-Take

Post by phtthp » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:44 pm

mashy wrote: Oic. Thanks for clarifying. so those who worked for more than 6 years overseas, the space really wasted, esp if it is in a very popular school.
not sure if any school will allow parents to apply for leave of absence (LOA), for 6 years so long. Normally, is LOA for 1 or 2 years. Never hear of LOA 6 years

If after 2 years the child still did not come in : Principal may contact parents to confirm - is your child coming in, or not ?
if not, then will release the space as a vacancy, to others in the Transfer / Waitlist queue, who are very keen & eager to come in.

Reason why LOA is applicable : because parents who are posted overseas to work for a short stunt period (1 or 2 years' time frame), their child will eventually join the school. So, school can still reserve that vacancy for your kid (old boys / old girls). During this long period of absence, parents need to pay school fees.

Another reason is because that school may be a very, popular hot school that many parents are eyeing, or targeting at. So, can't just give up that school, like that.

example
if you're an ex old boy/ girl of Nanyang primary, got posted overseas 2 years to work there, how can u don't apply LOA if after 2 years, u are coming back to Sg, for good ?
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Re: 2015 P1 Registration Exercise for 2016 In-Take

Post by pklala » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:48 pm

Thanks a lot for this... Only concern I have is we are >2 km from SMPS... Should we register for say RGPS on 31st morning and depending on the ballot need go to SMPS in afternoon? Do both schools inform status to parents on 31st so parents can make the right decision?

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Re: 2015 P1 Registration Exercise for 2016 In-Take

Post by mashy » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:05 pm

phtthp wrote:
mashy wrote: Oic. Thanks for clarifying. so those who worked for more than 6 years overseas, the space really wasted, esp if it is in a very popular school.
not sure if any school will allow parents to apply for leave of absence (LOA), for 6 years so long. Normally, is LOA for 1 or 2 years. Never hear of LOA 6 years

If after 2 years the child still did not come in : Principal may contact parents to confirm - is your child coming in, or not ?
if not, then will release the space as a vacancy, to others in the Transfer / Waitlist queue, who are very keen & eager to come in.

Reason why LOA is applicable : because parents who are posted overseas to work for a short stunt period (1 or 2 years' time frame), their child will eventually join the school. So, school can still reserve that vacancy for your kid (old boys / old girls). During this long period of absence, parents need to pay school fees.

Another reason is because that school may be a very, popular hot school that many parents are eyeing, or targeting at. So, can't just give up that school, like that.

example
if you're an ex old boy/ girl of Nanyang primary, got posted overseas 2 years to work there, how can u don't apply LOA if after 2 years, u are coming back to Sg, for good ?
I think sometimes, they have no idea it will take that long. Not all jobs have a fixed overseas tenure. Ya, it's those who enrolled their kids in very popular schools that would apply for LOA. Otherwise, it wouldn't matter as much.

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Re: 2015 P1 Registration Exercise for 2016 In-Take

Post by phtthp » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:43 pm

pklala wrote:Thanks a lot for this... Only concern I have is we are >2 km from SMPS... Should we register for say RGPS on 31st morning and depending on the ballot need go to SMPS in afternoon? Do both schools inform status to parents on 31st so parents can make the right decision?
since u stay less than 1 km from Rgps : can register your girl on the last day of Phase 2C (Fri, 31 July). One of u (either u or yr spouse) stay inside the school, hang around 3 pm, thereabout.

another person standby at St Margaret primary (SM). When reach SM, first thing is get a queue number.

latest by 3.15 pm, u must ascertain what is the status at SM ?
SC outside 2 km (since you fall under this category), need to ballot or not ?

if SM need to ballot for SC outside 2 km : then forget SM, stick to Rgps : provided less than 1 km Rgps no need to ballot, means u are safe.

But suppose < 1 km (Rgps) Phase 2C also need to ballot, then how ?
did u notice that # Phase 1 registered exceed last year (2014) #Phase 1, by (97 - 68) = 29, almost 1 class of 30 pupils gone !

Rgps : we'll put up a white board.
after 2.30 pm, at every 15 minutes interval :
P1 Officer will come out, erase off the old figures from the board, re-write refreshed figures, as follows :-

Phase 2C (day 3, last day : 31 July), time : xxxxx am / pm
Total vacancies : yyy

< 1 km : # of SC, # of PR

between 1 to 2 km : # of SC, # of PR

> 2km : # of SC, # of PR

if both schools also need to ballot : then which one face a lower risk of balloting ?
if both schools need to ballot, I advise u to choose another P2C primary school no need to ballot. Why ? because u are already in P2C now.

In your P2C plan : ensure that u have a third school (a backup school), no need to ballot.

if both schools need to ballot :
withdraw from Rgps, enrol yr dd into that backup school.
(eg : is there any CHIJ primary school nearby yr house, no need to ballot ?)

Find out (do a test run a few days before P2C start), from 3 pm to reach that backup school, how long is the driving time required, any traffic jam ?
maybe get a friend to drive you there, on that day, in case u nervous or distracted, can't concentrate on road traffic properly.
You also need someone else (a friend or a relative) to be stationed (on standby) at the 3rd school, helped u get a queue number first.

my greatest concern is :
during that crucial, critical last one hr (from 3.30 to 4.30 pm), suppose last minute more and more parents turn up to enrol, this may possibly drive SM into balloting for SC, outside 2 km.
Why ?
because many parents often turn to either Marymount Convent or SM, as a last minute standby, backup school in P2C.

if u really want to take the risk, ballot at either SM or Rgps (suppose both schools need to ballot), then make sure u have a standby school under P2C Supplementary : whereby u are less than 1 km from this 2C Supp school, no more balloting involved.

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Re: 2015 P1 Registration Exercise for 2016 In-Take

Post by lee_yl » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:12 pm

pklala wrote:Thanks a lot for this... Only concern I have is we are >2 km from SMPS... Should we register for say RGPS on 31st morning and depending on the ballot need go to SMPS in afternoon? Do both schools inform status to parents on 31st so parents can make the right decision?
Just some food for thought.

I have one neighbor whose dd attended RGPS, and got into SCGS IP after her PSLE. RGPS is a GEP center and probably more academically focused than SMPS. If your dd can work under pressure, i would think that RGPS is a better choice.

Another neighbor whose dd attended SMPS got into SNGS IP. The affiliation offered by SMPS only serves as a safety net should the child fail to perform well during PSLE. If the child is more than able to, they are likely to opt for a different secondary school after PSLE.

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Re: 2015 P1 Registration Exercise for 2016 In-Take

Post by gvyong » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:57 am

mashy wrote:
samantha_wong wrote:
mashy wrote:
What is a leve of absence? Never heard of anything like it, let alone someone applying for it.
Mind clarifying what is it that you wanna ask?

Registration exercise is complicated enough. Now we have paretns asking for leave of absence - whatever that is.
Leave of absence are for overseas Singaporeans who are registering their kids. They are simply reserving the places and will be applying for leave of absence after that. The kids will possibly not be studying in the school for a few years and even the entire 6 years. So there isn't a kid physically taking up the place, will it be still on hold or the school will open up the vacancy for others? I already know a few who are on this and some who are going to apply for it after they get a place. Just not sure how the school handles it.
Another example of socially irresponsible behavior that impacts on others, like the 'last minute withdrawal' parents. These parents need to make up their minds. If the child comes back after more than 2 years overseas, can he/she cope?

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