2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2007)

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Re: 2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2

Post by nms1 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:35 pm

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Dino wrote:It seems like there are 2 camps to whether to take HCL. Tks for all the different views =)
I think both camps reach quite similar conclusion actually.

If you are doing well (> 50%) in HCL, no reason for you to discontinue.
If you are struggling with HCL (<50%), no reason for you to continue, especially if it comes at the expanse of your other subjects.

The bonus marks for HCL is only useful if you are applying to SAP sec schools, useless everywhere else.
The waiver of CL requirement for A-Level only applies if you complete / pass HCL exams at O-Level, i.e. at the end of 4 more years, not PSLE. Dropping out of the subject halfway in sec school don't count (and if you are struggling with HCL, I can foresee that it will take up time and impact the rest of the other 6 to 7 O-Level subjects).
Some students/ parents may have the misconception that taking HCL means extra subject (workload). It may be true for certain schools (e.g., additional afternoon HCL classes, homework). My DS told me that the P6 CL class had much more homework compared to his HCL class. The hours of CL and HCL classes were the same. So for those doing well in CL/ HCL, you may want to check with the school before dropping HCL for workload reasons.
Definitely talk to the school. My elder son is in P5 - most of his class takes HCL but he doesn't. The number of classes is the same and the amount of homework is similar but the ting xie and mo xie is much harder for the HCL. For him, being weaker at Chinese, it would be impossible. He would need to spend hours each week learning.

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Re: 2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2

Post by phtthp » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:01 pm

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Definitely talk to the school. My elder son is in P5 - most of his class takes HCL but he doesn't. The number of classes is the same and the amount of homework is similar but the ting xie and mo xie is much harder for the HCL. For him, being weaker at Chinese, it would be impossible. He would need to spend hours each week learning.
depends on how you look at it.

For my P5 kiddo school, although tingxie & moxie from HCL weekly list is slightly harder, compared to the Normal Chinese weekly tingxie/moxie list, however we noticed that it benefit, in the long run.

It is these weekly, slightly tougher " moxie full sentences" that made them memorise, and apply directly into the "jie wei" or Conclusion paragraph, in both Normal Chinese & Higher Chinese zuowen.

There are around 50 or 52 weeks, within
One academic year. This means that in one year, these useful HCL moxie list had helped P5 students to collate into their brain CPU database : to remember, to memorise sub-consciously and to apply various types (nature) of conclusion paragraph according to different zuowen scenario, to aid them in writing conclusion for zuowen.

We take it as part of beneficial "free tuition " received from school.

As you may already know, in any zuowen (essay writing), the beginning paragraph (Kai tou) and the conclusion paragraph (Jie wei), besides the hao ci hao ju, thrown in : that are important.

This way, due to "free tuition received ", we no longer need to send kiddo to anymore external private Chinese tuition outside, for zuowen anymore.

In her kiddo SAP school, usually at year-end, after P4 SA2 & after P5 SA2, all the Upper primary (P5 and P6) lao shi will gather for a meeting sometime in December, one week before new academic year January start, together with Chinese HOD. Not merely to discuss assign which Chinese lao shi to teach which P5 class, but also to discuss content of the HCL tingxie / moxie list. What they do is they discuss:-

If zuowen topic is "hao ren zuo hao shi", do a good deed : then moxie for this week is, eg. Full sentence Phrase #1

Next, if another zuowen topic is "yi ge jiao xun", a moral lesson learnt, from a bad deed or mis-behavior, then moxie for next week is, eg. Full sentence Phrase #2

Third, if another zuowen topic, is on "gai guo zi xin" scenario, this can be a "ming ti" zuowen or a "wan cheng wen zhang" zuowen, then lao shi will prepare another moxie Phrase, #3.

so on, and so forth ... to different type of zuowen scenario.

So, during P5 (SA1 and SA2) Chinese Paper 1 zuowen, one look at the "kan tu zuowen " (picture composition) : one will know which moxie memorized phrase to apply, or to regurgitate out, from their internalized brain CPU database storage of a number of moxie accumulated, captured Phrases, over one year period .

No need to waste $, send them for another round of external, private Chinese tuition outside, anymore. Also at P5 / P6, where got time to attend so much tuition?
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Re: 2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2

Post by phtthp » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:35 pm

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Re: 2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2

Post by Bochapmum3 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:04 pm

Comparing between normal Chinese zuowen and HCL zuowen, is there a different standard in marking? Does the child usually score higher in normal Chinese zuowen?

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Re: 2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2

Post by phtthp » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:09 pm

"Ming ti" zuowen appear in both Normal Chinese zuowen, as well as in Higher Chinese zuowen (paper 1).

School Chinese Lao shi said "ming ti" zuowen are marked differently, in Normal Chinese vs. Higher Chinese zuowen. But she did not go into nitty gritty, tell (explain to) kiddo class, what exactly is the difference. But aware that there are some P5 students in her class who thrived (excel in) on writing "Ming ti" instead of writing "kan tu zuowen", and scored very well, 38 / 40 (Paper 1), although her lao shi said usually safer to stick to "kan tu zuowen", won't go out of point, "bu hui li ti".

Once "li ti" in "Ming ti zuowen" :skeptical: , fail zuowen, very hard to salvage overall Chinese.


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Re: 2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2

Post by floppy » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:34 pm

nms1 wrote:
coast wrote:
floppy wrote:
I think both camps reach quite similar conclusion actually.

If you are doing well (> 50%) in HCL, no reason for you to discontinue.
If you are struggling with HCL (<50%), no reason for you to continue, especially if it comes at the expanse of your other subjects.

The bonus marks for HCL is only useful if you are applying to SAP sec schools, useless everywhere else.
The waiver of CL requirement for A-Level only applies if you complete / pass HCL exams at O-Level, i.e. at the end of 4 more years, not PSLE. Dropping out of the subject halfway in sec school don't count (and if you are struggling with HCL, I can foresee that it will take up time and impact the rest of the other 6 to 7 O-Level subjects).
Some students/ parents may have the misconception that taking HCL means extra subject (workload). It may be true for certain schools (e.g., additional afternoon HCL classes, homework). My DS told me that the P6 CL class had much more homework compared to his HCL class. The hours of CL and HCL classes were the same. So for those doing well in CL/ HCL, you may want to check with the school before dropping HCL for workload reasons.
Definitely talk to the school. My elder son is in P5 - most of his class takes HCL but he doesn't. The number of classes is the same and the amount of homework is similar but the ting xie and mo xie is much harder for the HCL. For him, being weaker at Chinese, it would be impossible. He would need to spend hours each week learning.
I agree. Don’t drop the subject for “workload” reasons.

The amount of time set aside for lessons is the same, be it CL or HCL. Some schools may have additional lessons but those additional lessons could also happen to any of the examinable subjects. Hence, dropping HCL for CL may not necessarily result in a lighter workload.

On the other hand, if a child is struggling with HCL, he / she may deem one page of homework as too much (then again, CL also has homework leh). If he / she is taking more time or spending more effort just to pass HCL, can’t see how beneficial that would be for him.

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Re: 2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2

Post by cherrygal » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:30 pm

Definitely don't drop HCL for workload reasons. What's an extra paper to take when compared to 8-9 subjects in secondary school?

Re 作文, 命题 can score 38/40 IF you are good. Most teachers encourage the students to do 看图 for safety. But the best 看图 might score only 36/40 max coz it's usually easier.

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Re: 2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2

Post by chenlaoshi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:50 am

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Re: 2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2

Post by chenlaoshi » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:55 am

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Re: 2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2

Post by Seannnnn » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:35 pm

Same situation here, i remembered that the school has the final say in deciding when it comes to P6. But if marks are close, can appeal.

Also sharing a tip on how i encourage my children to read previously - find out what they like to read, then find it for them (because they won't). Slowly they will start picking up the habit of reading. This can be comics, novels, crime and mystery, etc.

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