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Are all MOE schools same good?

Poll ended at Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:07 pm

Yes
9
8%
No
108
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Total votes : 117

Re: All Schools are GOOD Schools

Postby 1amber » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:43 am

Jade wrote:I was revising w p4 DD for her science test on the topic on human systems. Without yet flipping thru any resources, I asked to briefly share with me what she has learnt on the various systems. Here's how the conversation goes:
Me: tell me what u know about muscular system
DD: muscles
Me: that's all?  Where hv u been revising from?
DD: I like systems n i read the entire textbook on system.  Really musculasystems Is easiest.  The whole page only has one key word "muscles"
Me: really? Show me ur textbook
DD: mum, the textbook is useless. We hardly use it during lessons for both Maths n science. Why does the school make us waste money to buy when they r seldom used?
Me: ???!!!
If DD has a uninitiated teacher who do not provide additional good notes n if I do not already hv some basic science knowledge, I will b blissfully thinking "muscles" is all she needs to know about the muscular system!


ha ha ha - teach less learn more mah! :rotflmao:

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Re: All Schools are GOOD Schools

Postby 1amber » Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:50 am

limlim wrote:If it is not appropriate now to ban tuition centers.. how about banning the advertisements for tuition?

Just like now they ban advertisement by the casinos..

I feel.. tuition center is another social vice that degrades the overall well-being of the education system (i.e. MOE schools) and drawing away capable teachers from the govt teaching profession..

Also, it's quite distasteful for the centers to be boasting about the so-and-so top scholars from their tuition center when these kids could very well did as well even w/o attending the tuition classes..

If they advert the value-added, like significant increase in scores after attending lesson, maybe not so bad.. but if they take in top students and produces top student.. what pride is there there to boost about? Other than attempting to mislead parents to increase profits..


Your persistence has won my admiration. I m beginning to enjoy your ban-dy moot! :wink:

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Re: All Schools are GOOD Schools

Postby Chenonceau » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:01 pm

How can all schools be same good when people experience differences in

(1) quantity and quality of essential content notes
(2) quality of teaching, marking and feedback

The below graph conceptually illustrates the differences between schools.
Image

Differences in marking are so stark that some marking looks like this...
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Re: All Schools are GOOD Schools

Postby atutor2001 » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:41 pm

Having been in this forum for quite some time, I felt that most parents here are very lucky as their kids are mostly intelligent and willing to study. My own kids are also like that and I thought that teaching kids would only involve giving them the correct concept with the easiest possible way to understand.

I was proven wrong after volunteering to help my relatives' kids in their study. I realised that there are kids who are so slow, to the extent that they just cannot grasp the concept of "profit = revenue - cost". There are also those smart ones who just refuse to remember anything that had been taught.

A good school is one with good teachers. Most think that a good teacher is one who is knowledgeable in the subject matters. No, such teachers are good only for bright and hardworking kids.

A good teacher is one who knows the different way of managing and motivating a kid. Some need to be threatened to work hard, some need to be praised. Most lazy kids need to be made to feel obligated to the teacher and these are the toughest nuts to crack. There are many more variations. Therefore, knowing how to get a kid to start working because they like him or her is my definition of a good teacher.

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Re: All Schools are GOOD Schools

Postby KSP » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:42 pm

1amber wrote:
limlim wrote:If it is not appropriate now to ban tuition centers.. how about banning the advertisements for tuition?

Just like now they ban advertisement by the casinos..

I feel.. tuition center is another social vice that degrades the overall well-being of the education system (i.e. MOE schools) and drawing away capable teachers from the govt teaching profession..

Also, it's quite distasteful for the centers to be boasting about the so-and-so top scholars from their tuition center when these kids could very well did as well even w/o attending the tuition classes..

If they advert the value-added, like significant increase in scores after attending lesson, maybe not so bad.. but if they take in top students and produces top student.. what pride is there there to boost about? Other than attempting to mislead parents to increase profits..


Your persistence has won my admiration. I m beginning to enjoy your ban-dy moot! :wink:



Banning advertisement may cause backfire.

No cigarette ads but i see even more young smokers.
No casino ads but they make billions each year.

If no tuition centers ads, parents can always find one thru words of mouth or here.
Last edited by KSP on Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: All Schools are GOOD Schools

Postby LOLMum » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:44 pm

atutor2001 wrote:Having been in this forum for quite some time, I felt that most parents here are very lucky as their kids are mostly intelligent and willing to study. My own kids are also like that and I thought that teaching kids would only involve giving them the correct concept with the easiest possible way to understand.

I was proven wrong after volunteering to help my relatives' kids in their study. I realised that there are kids who are so slow, to the extent that they just cannot grasp the concept of "profit = revenue - cost". There are also those smart ones who just refuse to remember anything that had been taught.

A good school is one with good teachers. Most think that a good teacher is one who is knowledgeable in the subject matters. No, such teachers are good only for bright and hardworking kids.

A good teacher is one who knows the different way of managing and motivating a kid. Some need to be threatened to work hard, some need to be praised. Most lazy kids need to be made to feel obligated to the teacher and these are the toughest nuts to crack. There are many more variations. Therefore, knowing how to get a kid to start working because they like him or her is my definition of a good teacher.



:hi5:

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Re: All Schools are GOOD Schools

Postby limlim » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:01 pm

KSP wrote:
Banning advertisement may cause backfire.

No cigarette ads but i see even more young smokers.
No casino ads but they make billions each year.

If no tuition centers ads, parents can always find one thru words of mouth or here.


You may see even more smokers if they advertise and make it glamorous.. to entice unsuspecting teenagers.

They may make even more with advertising.. if they play correctly and imparting some get-rich-quick" messages.. to entice greedy folks.

Parents find thru words of mouth.. that is good, isn't it? the good centers gets the recommendations and referrals.. rather than parents mislead by evil advertisements..

It is all too easy to put bait and hook parents via skillfully crafted advertisements.. enticed by the prospect of having straight A kids..

Also, it is a disservice to the education professions and the good folks at govt schools, that alternative education centers are present. To allow tuition centers on a widespread level is acknowledgement from the policy makers that the national education program is inadequate..

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Re: All Schools are GOOD Schools

Postby KSP » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:12 pm

limlim wrote:
KSP wrote:
Banning advertisement may cause backfire.

No cigarette ads but i see even more young smokers.
No casino ads but they make billions each year.

If no tuition centers ads, parents can always find one thru words of mouth or here.


You may see even more smokers if they advertise and make it glamorous.. to entice unsuspecting teenagers.

They may make even more with advertising.. if they play correctly and imparting some get-rich-quick" messages.. to entice greedy folks.

Parents find thru words of mouth.. that is good, isn't it? the good centers gets the recommendations and referrals.. rather than parents mislead by evil advertisements..

It is all too easy to put bait and hook parents via skillfully crafted advertisements.. enticed by the prospect of having straight A kids..

Also, it is a disservice to the education professions and the good folks at govt schools, that alternative education centers are present. To allow tuition centers on a widespread level is acknowledgement from the policy makers that the national education program is inadequate..


But why not just ban it like firecracker or chewing gum? Short and sharp.

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Re: All Schools are GOOD Schools

Postby Nebbermind » Thu Mar 08, 2012 1:48 pm

atutor2001 wrote:Having been in this forum for quite some time, I felt that most parents here are very lucky as their kids are mostly intelligent and willing to study. My own kids are also like that and I thought that teaching kids would only involve giving them the correct concept with the easiest possible way to understand.

I was proven wrong after volunteering to help my relatives' kids in their study. I realised that there are kids who are so slow, to the extent that they just cannot grasp the concept of "profit = revenue - cost". There are also those smart ones who just refuse to remember anything that had been taught.

A good school is one with good teachers. Most think that a good teacher is one who is knowledgeable in the subject matters. No, such teachers are good only for bright and hardworking kids.

A good teacher is one who knows the different way of managing and motivating a kid. Some need to be threatened to work hard, some need to be praised. Most lazy kids need to be made to feel obligated to the teacher and these are the toughest nuts to crack. There are many more variations. Therefore, knowing how to get a kid to start working because they like him or her is my definition of a good teacher.


:goodpost:

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Re: All Schools are GOOD Schools

Postby zeemimi » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:09 pm

1amber wrote:
limlim wrote:If it is not appropriate now to ban tuition centers.. how about banning the advertisements for tuition?

Just like now they ban advertisement by the casinos..

I feel.. tuition center is another social vice that degrades the overall well-being of the education system (i.e. MOE schools) and drawing away capable teachers from the govt teaching profession..

Also, it's quite distasteful for the centers to be boasting about the so-and-so top scholars from their tuition center when these kids could very well did as well even w/o attending the tuition classes..

If they advert the value-added, like significant increase in scores after attending lesson, maybe not so bad.. but if they take in top students and produces top student.. what pride is there there to boost about? Other than attempting to mislead parents to increase profits..


Your persistence has won my admiration. I m beginning to enjoy your ban-dy moot! :wink:


So must ask MDA to take tuition advertisement under their umbrella. :rotflmao:

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